2020 OKC Riots, Domestic Violence Rescue, Granny DUI

this is things police see firstand accounts with your host Steve goldwelcome to the podcast that interviews active and retired police officers about their most intense bizarre and sometimeshumorous moments on the job welcome welcome everybody thank you for joining us thank you for coming back and uhlistening more I I see people binge uh listened to the show and I appreciate that um all is well over here inMassachusetts as of right now I I know I gave a little bit of a um update or Itold you what was going on with my dog cash he’s 125 pound German shepherd He got His kidney removed last week um itwas a financial burden and a tough decision but we ended up making it workand uh he’s been recovering great he seems fine and then we got a call fromthe vet and they’re like um yeah there’s one last test we should really do because uh it did come back as cancerousthe growth um and we should know what kind of cancer it is because there’s onecancer that’s really bad and we’re like H you know you feel like you’re out of the woods and they come at you with onemore thing so we’re like all right how much is the test it’s like you know 250 bucks but we we’ve already come this farso we’re like cuz she said basically if it’s one of the mild Cancers and they got the whole kidney thenprobably could live a pretty normal life and probably will be fine if it’s this aggressive cancer that sometimes occursin German Shepherds then it doesn’t matter because of the how aggressive it is it’s already there they just couldn’tsee it and he’ll probably have like 30 days to like three months regardless andthey say if you get chemo for the dog which we would never do but if you get chemo it could extend it to 6 months souh we didn’t really um know know about this aggressive form and now we doso uh we’re waiting on those results now so I want to thank people who reachedout a lot of uh fans of the show reached out um to give support and a kindmessage and uh some of you even send money to go towards the vet bill whichis um really amazing and I really really appreciate it was really touching to see that come in and with a little note uhfor the cash man so I appreciate that guys it was really really cool um but today let me let me switch gearshere I don’t want to talk too much about the dog let me switch gears here because we have a great a great show a greatguest today so I met this guest probably four or five years ago um I met himthrough the great Ken Royal who hosts the police applicant podcast he I think was talking with Ken about getting hiredand at the time was working at um the Oklahoma National Memorial Museum he wasa lieutenant there and was looking to transition into police work he he’s been a fan of the show I’ve interacted withhim a bunch I spoken with him really great guy he’s he he got that cop jobabout two and a half years ago he’s a deputy sheriff in Oklahoma and he alsodid six years in Army National Guard uh as field artillery so um he he finallydecided and I think we said back in the day I said well once you get once you get some years under your belt you gottacome on the show so I’m GNA bring him on the Great William James LongWilliam oh Steve where’s Ken I thought this was the police applicant podcastI’m in the wrong place yeah I tell everybody that great to be here how areyou doing it’s good man it’s good to have you I’m so glad that you um were one of many success stories uh I I metthrough Ken where you you did the work you had the perfect background for the job and here you are a deputy sheriff socongrats brother I appre appreciate it and no telling how many people you guysdon’t know in person that you guys have actually like also helped get into lawenforcement or pushed or interested someone in the field of policing sothank you guys more than anything oh thanks for saying that man yeah it feels good I always say that that’s the best note I get where someone’s like I’m inthe academy or they send me a picture of them at graduation with their wife or girlfriend I’m like yes that’s greatthat’s fantastic um yeah I remember you and I were I think teex ing not too longwell actually you know it was probably like two years ago we were texting a little bit and you were saying um when you started as a deputy sheriff inOklahoma you started at the courts is that right so it’s kind of peragency um at my agency pretty much everybody starts inthe jail um some people get stuck there for years um I was blessed I only had todo about maybe a month in the Gil jail and then I got moved onto the courthousekind of out of the out of the proverbial basement of the sheriff’s office um tothe courthouse um and then depending on time schedules and availability of ftothat depends on when you’re going to go to fto and just because you go to ftodoesn’t mean you’re going to patrol um for instance you know I went to fto I didH I don’t know probably about four months out on patrol I had I had kind of a weird uh fto cycle um a little bit ofpersonal information I uh my wife decided to divorce me right in themiddle of fto so I actually had to take a break and handle that business um andI went back to the courthouse for a while and then I went back and finished my fto um but actually now I’ve heardyou mentioned a couple times I’m out on patrol I’m not I am still at the courthouse um I’ll get into a little bitmore about why I’m still at the courthouse later um but at this point uhit it’s of my choosing and I’ll talk a little bit more about why later on soyou go to either the courthouse or Court transport and then kind of from there umcourthouse is a direct line into Patrol Court transport you usually go to likeextraditions or something like that so that’s that’s how it works so interesting in the in the southernstates or the Midwestern states the and we’ve mentioned before in the show the sheriffs have like so much moreencompassing duties from not just the jails they do Patrol they like in Massachusetts we have State Courtofficers they’re they’re they’re employed by the state and they wear like um white shirts and they run thesecurity and there’s a chief there and they have a lock up you know for the prisoners you bring in but they are notarmed they have pepper spray and handcuffs and it like it blows my mindand it’s not a bad job like it pays well it’s an important job but they don’t have excuseme wrong tube they don’t have guns and things happen in cour houses peoplefreak out scumbags show up to courthouses every day so to me it’s likeI just don’t get it it’s funny you mention that our our only um active shooter incident within at least as faras the Sheriff’s Office go where it didn’t involve um another municipality or something uh was at the courthouse wehad uh a guy out on the Plaza that pulled out a gun and he engaged about three of our deputies and and they gotinto a big gunfight and that’s the only one we’ve had and it was at the courthouse so I think after that thatkind of solidified the fact of hey we need certified deputies there that have guns yeah dude courthouses are apressure cooker every time I go there there’s somebody crying in the parking lot there’s some Jeet out Thug you knowwhat I mean there’s there it’s it just collects all that emotion and people are pissed or happy or whatever but yeahit’s it’s not a place to um to screw around so I don’t I don’t understand mass is a weird State anyways I don’tknow why they run it like that but um and then of course our sheriffs don’t umthey don’t really Patrol they they just do the jails which is like another like it all goes back to like Old Coloniallaws and stuff of constables and sheriffs and police well it’s funny you mention that becauseyeah I’ve been uh I’ve been spending some time I’m actually in Texas right now I’ve been spending some time downhere a lot lately and I’ve been seeing a lot of weird agencies rolling around I’ll see you know whatever CountyConstable whatever County marshall service and finally I just I stopped aguy I saw an uniform and I asked him I said what you know what do all these different agencies do and at least downhere in Texas it seems like they take their share Sheriff’s Office and they split it into three different agenciesso you have like the sheriff’s office which manages the jails and the court houses you have themarshals which do like Patrol and field work and then you have the constableswhich are like civil guys and they go out and serve papers and things like that for us that’s all us that’s all ouragency we do all those things so it’s it’s just State dependent it’s real bizarre it is weird it’s interestingevery State’s so different now I have a question for you um my buddy was in a bar in Texas and he witnessed a nearfist fight between an Oklahoma man and a Texas man now I had no idea being fromwhere I’m from that anybody from Oklahoma and Texas wouldn’t get along because of State rivalry I had no ideabut he’s pretty heated so you have oh go ahead I was gonna say he the argumentwas it almost came to fist when the guy said Oklahoma is nothing but Texas’sdamn hat and then the guy from Oklahoma was like put him up son cuz you ain’t talking likethat it it’s it’s like that a lot of the time um you know we’ll say the samething North Texas is just South Oklahoma and I mean I think some Texas Texansthat live farther down south would agree um to that but um you know it mostlyboils down to the ouut Rivalry so you got you know the University of Oklahomaup in Norman you got UT down in Austin and I mean it’s so bad that for ourfootball game we have to meet in Dallas at what they call a neutral site because it’s halfway between each City becauseit does it gets it gets violent it’s CRA yeah when you guys start young man like like high school football there havestadiums of like big bleacher seats you know it’s like a big thing like the I think the Northeast our College like ourcollege football they stink they’re like a bunch of nerds it’s like be you know what I mean they’re not like they’re notlike super good so as a kid I never really grew up like raw rawing like acollege sport team but everybody I’ve met and my friends that are from uh the Midwest or the South are like theycollege is like over the NFL it’s like the biggest deal well you got to think here in Oklahoma I mean up until youknow a few years ago when we got the Oklahoma City Thunder with the NBA wedidn’t have any professional teams like any kind of major leag we don’t have Major League Baseball we don’t have anNFL team we didn’t have an NBA team until you know the thunder came around oh that makes sense so college sports iswhat we had and since you know there’s no NFL team around here the closest one you know would be uh the Cowboys down inDallas uh that that’s what we got and it it means a lot to us the and you thinkthe Rivalry between like Oklahoma in Texas is crazy you should see just the craziness between OU and OSU there’s areason they call it bedin so that’s funny and whose role tied is thatAlabama that’s Alabama okay I had a I I forget which guess it was came on and he was like uh a roll Tide guy and I waslike what he’s like you don’t know what that means they’re real big into it too probably just as much if not more thanus yeah hey you gotta have something to root for you know man we went through Oklahoma um when we went cross countryone time we stopped at a a campground in Oklahoma and saw the best political commercial I’ve ever seen where we’re inour camper but we had like um we were getting like the UHF stuff and it must have been a local I think it was a statesenator or something and it was like Kathy mcra is for gay marriage then thenthe camera switches to a ski going up in the sky boom they he rocks his shotgun he’s like she’s for you know um whateverwhatever the the right-wing issue was this other boom every time he shoots a ski with the shotgun and me and my wifelooked at each other and we’re like this is incredible it see it was almost like it’s almost like an SNL skit it was sogood it gets it gets a little cringey around here sometimes but uh you knowthat’s that’s the kind of people we deal with that’s the kind of people I deal with on a daily basis and then you mixlike you know meth and fit and all in there too and then that’s that’s the kind of people I’m dealing with so yeahdude it I mean they they are and everybody has guns down there like they’re anytime I went to a a trainingwe were you know the instructor teaches all over the country and he’s like he gave us some stats to make us you knowbecause we were upset about the conviction rate in in Massachusetts and then like the um um the courts and allthis stuff and he was like uh have you ever looked up Southern or Midwestern towns with the same siiz population ofyour town and City and seen how many shoot how many times cops get shot versus here and we’re like no andthey’re like well they get shot a lot more because because down there the lawuh a lot of them have the three strike rule and a lot of them are um the judgesentences the maximum they don’t they don’t screw around with the with the law in Mass you can be like a repeatoffender and out like like like that and he’s like so take it easy when you’re complaining cuz while you might befrustrated with your court cases uh you’re also not dodging as many bullets so I thought that wasinteresting well yeah I mean it’s it’s a double-edged sword you know it’s a good thing like I’m happy that ourprosecutors and our judges and stuff um aren’t like it is you know back east andyou know on the far west coast and things like that where you do something you steal a car and then you can be out30 minutes later and go steal another car on like zero bail yeah it’s nuts sowhen we when we stick people with sentences uh they stick so yeah there is a lot of uh you know I’m not going backum I had a guy just the other day that’s what you don’t want to hear yeah well I had a case the otherday where a guy I was dealing with uh he had told the victim it was a it was adomestic violence case and he told the victim uh you know this is this is going to be my third felony so I’m gonna makeit worth a felony oh because they know you know yeah it’s bad man I mean when Iwas in California there was a guy who stole it was like four or five cars in aday in a day or a couple days in the last one he seriously injured somebodywhen he crashed it running from the cops and then only then was the guy sentencedit was like or or held it was totally nuts I don’t I don’t understand how guyscontinue to do the job at all in places like that because I would see that and Iwould go what am I here for yeah but they’re not they’re leaving in drovessure yeah I just like even even now like even though they are leaving in drovesit shocks me that there’s anybody that wants to do it because you you put inall this work you know you write up a report and stuff and you send it to the DA and you think oh man I did somethinggood and then what here’s a slap on the wrist go do more crime like yeah andit’s so much work putting together um an investigation and submitting it to court and making sure everything’s right youknow what I mean it’s like we we meticulously look over the charges and the and the narratives and and then justit be like see you later y terrible you know getting called in on your days offfor for court appearances and things like that that’s always fun yeah what awaste of time at least they’re paying us for it um William can you tell us the first timeuh you had a hot call or the first call that got your blood going yeah so um like I told you kind ofwhen we talked a little bit before this um I’ve got kind of two stories to a lotof your answers because I couldn’t pick uh the best one but I will start with my first story out on patrol and then I’llI’ll backtrack a little bit to another one when I actually wasn’t even law enforcement at the time sounds great sookay so my first one um it was my first week of fto I believe it waslike maybe a Sunday it was like the end of my work week and during our firstweek of fto when you go from phase to phase um you have what’s called anobservation period Well your first one it’s a week-long observation period so you’re riding shotgun you’re watchingwhat your to does you’re trying to pick up on there stuff so I was still just a glorified Ride Along at this point butit’s the end of the day end of the work week 30 minutes till end of shift andI’m like cool this has been great yeah we’re sitting there in a parking lottalking to uh another deputy and his trainee and stuff and um all of a suddenthere’s a tone out now you got to understand we’re Cy so we are tied inwith the large municipality in the agency so anytime they get a tone out it comes across on radio and you’ll sitthere for a second and a lot of the times it’s like oh you perk up and then it’s like oh that’s them that’s not uswe’re not even going to worry about it this time perked up and then it was forus and it was just immediately the call was um shots fired in a neighborhoodwhich was about a mile or two where we were sitting and uh two juveniles onejust shooting at houses oh so yeah we spin up we go code three I’m ridingriding with a very experienced Deputy so he just falls to the wall hammer downyou got your legs out straight like oh yeah I’m like oh this is it okay and I’m like okay going through my mind likethere’s a gun involved so like as soon as I get out of the car I need to be guns out on this guy and you know there’s going to be two suspects so Igot to pick a guy and like deal with that guy and let the other two people deal with the other guy and uh we rollinto the neighborhood and there’s immediately two juveniles standing uhkind of in the middle of the road don’t see a firearm but as soon as we jump out of the car we draw down on these guys Istart giving commands to my guy thankfully my guy lays down I walk overand I put him in cuffs I’m like hey you know don’t move I start patting him down and uh I look up and I see not just myto but the other to and his trainee fighting with this guy and he isstanding up with all three of them on his back damn turns out he was onPCP um yeah and he was on but we couldn’t we we couldn’t see the gun atthis point so um they start delivering strikes and they’re fighting this guy and this whole time I’m standing therewith my guy and at one point I start to go over there and my training officer sees this and he’s like no stop staywith your guy like I know we’re in this whole thing and it looks like it’s a big fight but we’ll handle this say withyour guys so I’m sitting there just watching me guys fight him and this this kid wasmaybe I don’t know 58 5’9 and like 125pounds soak and wet like really little kid and uh he’s fighting two grown menand uh you know another female Deputy that wasn’t a pushover she had done likesix years in the jail before this so she’s dealt with things and he iswhooping their asses at the beginning is he a kid yeah he was like 1617 damn that’s dark man 16 years old doing PCP oh oh yeah oh yeah Soeventually I think um somebody tases him and like under power they’re able to gethim cuffed up uh they stand him up and they’re walking them over to the vehicles we gotlike EMS and Route because anytime we deploy taser we got to call mess and as he’swalking the gun falls out of the bottom of his pants there you go like there’sthe gun okay and after we we talked to people apparently he was walking aroundand shooting in people’s front yards and stuff and uh it was just really surrealthat you know it was two you know younger kids and I’ve just never seen anybody that small fight thathard and the whole time we were dealing with him after the fact um he kept um Iguess it’s called cycling where he would come up and like he’d get really aggressive with us start spitting at usand stuff and then he would come back down and be like guys I’m so sorry you know hope I didn’t hurt you all thisother stuff and he did this for probably I don’t know like an hour and ahalf after we got him in the back of the car and we took him to the jail and he just kept going I was just like manthat’s that’s why yeah and then you know three weeks later we responded to the same house for a anoverdose a DOA and it turned out it was like a trap house so you know what areyou gonna do yeah man that is that’s a good first one man especially you get you just get to see people at theirworst and what they’re capable of you know like you’re like this is now my life so did did that excite you or didor did it make you think oh man I gotta be this is real I gotta be careful out here wellyou know I had already this is kind of why I’m going to have a second story on this I had had that moment a long timeago before I was even law enforcement I mean like yeah it was it was like oh I’m out on patrol now and this is the kindof stuff I’m gonna be dealing with for at least the next four months you know so right it excited me a little bit butit was also like well watch out for scny you know scrawny little kids because if they’re on PCP they can fight yeah umbut my first my first like oh my gosh I can’t believe like this is a real momentum it happened when I was still working security um at the Oklahoma City National Memorial take you all the wayback to the summer of 2020 can you before before you tell the story William can you set that up a little bit of whatyour job was and your Authority and what that’s all about yeah absolutely so umthe Oklahom City National Memorial Museum um it is a memorial in Museum allabout the 1995 Oklahoma City Bombing um and we have a a very beautiful umoutside Memorial and then there is a building that was directly across from the myor building um that actuallysurvived the blast and that has been turned into a museum okay and so you ifanybody’s ever been to uh like the 911 museum or anything like that it’s very similar to that infact I think they came to our Museum to get ideas and stuff for the 911 museumum but if you ever been to anything like that it’s very similar to that just focused on the 1995 bombing okay um andso I was the lieutenant um uh over the security detail there um I had like youknow four Five Guys underneath me and we had um we just worked security there24/7 365 days a year um downtown Oklahoma City so you’re dealing with notonly the thousands of people that come through every week to visit the museum and Memorial which are generally youknow very chill people yeah um you also get uh you know Street people and peoplethat are just committing crimes in the area and stuff coming through um and andthe grounds are open 247 so really anybody can come on at any time so andyou got to keep our our job was essentially to protect our visitors and then protect the site itself because toa lot of people um myself included um that’s Hallowed Ground right that’s essentially what wedid and for in Oklahoma as security do you have any kind of is there some kind of commission for that or just on theproperty you were what everybody thinks of security that’s just basically it yeah I mean yes and no so in thestate of Oklahoma you do have to go through um certain classes um that areput on by cleat which is um our version of post it’s the Council on LawEnforcement Education and Training um so even at security you haveto go through um these basic classes you have to go through like two classes tobe an unarmed security officer and then you have to take a Firearms course aswell um to be a arms security officer and then you essentially you don’t haveany specific arrest Powers other than um what’s kind of already in our state lawsis what I guess people would call citizens arrest um but since you’recarrying handcuffs and you have you know handcuffing techniques and use of force and things like that uh you’re a littlemore able to do that other than your average citizen so 90% of the time if wehad somebody that was like combative or somebody that we needed to um hook up wedetain them and then we’d take them maybe into our office or just sit them down right there and then we would waitfor Oklahoma City PD to come and transport and we have a greatrelationship with ocpd um in fact uh our director of security was a former ocpd major so anytime we called them out it was usually no questions asked it was all right cool you hooked them up we’ll do the reporttake them in stuff like that sounds like a great job that’s you take him and do the report thankyou but yeah well it was really great because I kind of got to double not onlyas security but I got to be um an ambassador for the site so that the grounds are open247 the museums only open like 9 to5 uh like Monday through Saturday andthen like Sunday it’s open like noon to 5 so when there’s none of the museumstaff there you’re the only one on grounds and so you’re going to have people asking you questions you’re gonnameet people from all over the world I mean heck I I’ve met celebrities that have just shown up in the middle of thenight like they came out because they wanted to see the grounds and they didn’t want anybody to you know mob thembecause they’re a celebrity interesting and you know it’s really weird when you’re walking around out there andyou’re like are you pink are you Danny tro and it you know and it’s like ohyeah they are Kevin cner you know so I’ve met yeah and it was it was a reallygreat job and um the only reason I left it was to go into lawenforcement right yeah makes sense you get a little taste of it and you’re like I’m gonna do I’m gonna go wide open yeahyeah it was really enjoyable and uh so back to my pre fre police uh oh thisis real moment um it was summer of 2020 um you know the George Floy riots weregoing on and everything and yeah I don’t think any part of the country really got away from that like any any major cityhad that and it was you know I call it like um recreational outrage it seemedto be yeah um so they uh they had thislarge um Gathering at a spot a spot like across I35 like afew miles away and then at the end of this Gathering all these people were going to March towards the policestation and the um County court or the county jail in Oklahoma City well thememorial you got to remember it was the site of a federal building so it’s downthere near all those buildings it’s about two blocks and it was directly on the routefrom where they were coming from so all overtime was approved they called everybody in and they were like you knowwe don’t know what’s going to happen but based off what we’ve seen you know in other parts of the country this couldget violent and you know we were hoping that hey this is H ground Oklahomansknow this um you know hopefully it’ll be okay um but what I didn’t know at thetime was how many people were just traveling from City to City to participate in these riots right I mean90% of the people I dealt with I I hooked one guy up and I started getting his information and he was from Houstonand I was Texas guy of course I was like yeah yeah I was like why why are you here you know what doyou even know what this building is and at one point he was like oh man I thought this was the police station I’mlike no ask any Oklahoman what this place isand they can tell you so we were directly on this route and these people were passing byon their way and ocpd came out and we went out and we essentially formed abarrier around the memorial because while we were still in our relaxed Statepeople started coming by and smashing out windows and throwing rocks at our monitors and at one point I found myselfsurrounded by like 15 angry riers and I think it was in that moment that I waslike oh this is real yeah that’s bad you know you’re standing there and you pullout your vaton and you’re like all right you know it’s it’s go time and uh youknow thankfully about 10 seconds after that ocpd came in you know running code three and jumped out in all the riotgear and we were kind of able to disperse people um but as the night went on you know I found myself walkingaround the ground you know with a shotgun while they’re deploying CS gas and bean bags and andrubber bullets and stuff on these people on the streets there’s helicopters flying everywhere I was like man I feellike I’m in downtown Baghdad like this is ridiculous this does not feel like the United States yeah let alone at thesight of something that we’re all supposed to be against terrorism youknow so I think that was my first moment of this is what I’m going intofulltime yeah man that’s freaky especially people get they get you know in that you know that fervor wherethey’re like they normally wouldn’t act like this but they got hundreds or thousands of people with them that are acting like that and it’s kind of Buildson itself and yet we can’t we can’t label those people all that writing onthose are not domestic terrorists those are just they’re just letting off some steam you know they were mostly peacefulprotests while stuff’s on fire behind me you know that was the best that was the best newsclip ever to be on television with he’s like in front of a burning Kmart he’s like thisis oh man yeah that’s scary brother I’m glad you made it out of there did you guys have like Turtle suits to wear andall that stuff or just your uniform oh not us I just had my uniform and me ocpd rolled in wearing all their stuff but Ihad like you know just uh I had my external vest on and like standard dutybelt load out and then I slung a shotgun just in case a Oklahoma security can’tuse rifles so I was like all right 870 it is yeah hey a one a one oce slug willdo uh a lot more damage in a rifle round at that range yeah and it’s funny uhbefore the funny thing is they waited until sundown like they started their March at sundown so they could get tothe uh police station and the county jail just as the sun went down um andall the agencies around there were getting ready for it and um the way the memorial is set up so you have thememorial itself and then off to maybe theuh the Northwest is the new federal building which has been built after theM building was destroyed and then directly south of the memorial is the federal courthouse so you had FederalProtective service the US Marshals the ATF all the FED boys were running aroundand uh at one point I saw a uh US Marshall walking out of their storageroom that they have in like the parking garage on the south side of Memorial and he’s just carrying a handful of tear gascanisters and uh you know I jokingly said like hey can we get some of those and he was like if you got a 40millimeter grenade launcher absolutely and I was like fres up that’s awesome carrying a big pile oftear guys a big smile on his face I’m sure yeah oh hell yeah man William canyou tell uh tell us about a strange or bizarre thing you’ve dealt with yeah once again I I’ve got twostories with this so I’ll let you pick which one I tell first so you either have a DUIgranny or the drug dealer that decided to flag down a deputy uh go just do them an order DUIgranny I like the sounds okay so um we get a call uh let me preface thisby saying typically um vehicle accidents my agency does not work um unlessthere’s some kind of criminal thing involved we’ll call the Oklahoma Highway Patrol and have them come out and workthe crash I don’t know why we do things that way but that’s that’s just how we do things so we get called out to um avehicle accident and um at the time they they they believed there was a criminal element toit um and let me say with the exception of DUI if it’s DUI crash or something like that Ibelieve op will still go ahead and handle it um but if there’s like um you know DUI with injury or malicious injuryto property and anything like that if they if they harm somebody or propertyyou know in the midst of the crash or the DUI then we’ll go out and work it sothe call comes out as a du with propertydamage we roll out and there is this minivan that has slammed into the sideof this um old like straight up and down brick house and the the vehicle hasalmost punched all the way through the brick into this house she went way off the road can tell yeah you can tell wellthere’s a reason for that so you can tell at some point this whole this whole structure is going tocollapse and and I walk past the van and in the back of the van I see like a 30pack of whether I maybe it was like Co light or something like that and I’m like okay cool DUI and uh I’m likewhere’s our suspect and fire tells me so you see the house behind this buildingthat’s actually her house so she actually owned the buildingthat she slammed into and then lived in the house behind it so immediately we’relike well if that’s her property no CME but I’m going to go talk to this womananyway so I go into the house and immediately when I get into the house onevery single surface in this house the floors the tables the chairsthere are empty Kors Light cans it looked like a Coors Light commercial itwas it was ridiculous bizarre this woman I I don’t know how she was still aliveafter drinking this much because she was probably early80s and and still drinking this much and still driving and drinking while drivingand so I start trying to talk to this woman and while I am trying to talk toher she reaches into her little Walker into a cooler that is attached to herwalker and pulls out a cold one and cracks while I’m talking to and I’m like ma’am let’s let’s not dothis and she’s like oh why can’t I drink I’m like well because you’re suspectedof DUI and possibly property damage ma’am I wouldn’t drink anymore if I were you I was like we’re going to sit hereand wait till op gets here they’re going to work it but I’m going to go ahead and get some information from you she’s likeoh well okay and she’s she’s kind of getting sideway with me at this moment and so uh she had a car take her therelike a neighbor or somebody looked after and they were like I’ll take the beer so they walk out and take the beer and I’mlike okay cool I got to step outside to go give my information to op when theyget here step out we come back in and she has another one cold and cracked andshe’s sitting there just drinking away and I’m like well you don’t tell me what to do exactly it was just like that and I’mlike well op have fun I’m so that that one was was very fun and uhI got quite a laugh out of that one yeah that’s awesome so the other one um this is whenum it was I think my second go around of fto when I came back after mydivorce um I’m at the office it’s the very beginning of the day um I thinkafter Squad meeting one unit had gone out and she was already um headed downthe highway and the rest of us were kind of hanging out and talking I was letting the big boys talkso I kind of went out to the car like a good rookie and I’m sitting there and I’m listening to the radio traffic anduh you know she’s like you know b or whatever vehicle assist which okay first thing in the morning the vehicle assistsomething very simple you know she said I got this guy flagging me down and I’mstill listening to the radio traffic and she’s calling out the tag and uh the return she gets is like a 1975 Camaroand the last time that the tag was registered was in like 1979 or somethinglike that so immediately I’m like that’s weirdyeah I sit around and I wait a few seconds and all of a sudden I hear coming over the radio screaming hey I’vegot one fighting and so we jump in our car cars and we run code 3 and she’s only about amile and a half down the road um we pull up and this dude is allover pull him off get him hooked up and you know we asked her we were like whathappened and she said well he flaged me down I ran his tag obviously this car isnot a 1975 Camaro um and so I went up to talk tohim about and as soon as I went up to talk to him about it the fight was on weird and I was like that’s interestingokay and so then we searched the vehicle and it’s just drug Central we foundXanax we found fentanyl we found ketamine mixed withfanol um a bunch of weed just you know whatever the heart desires this guy had you know five orsix cell phones he had a dildo in the door for some reason I don’t know justfor good measure yeah yeah assault dild though in the uh passenger door and um so finallywe we seize all the evidence and we take it go to get it booked and we’re looking at the tag and we’re like you know whatwhat is up with this tag why why is it you know because because they ran the VIN to the car and the tag that belongsto the car came back valid and matching that vehicle andmatching his name so it’s like right so this guy has a validtag but it’s not on his vehicle and he decided to put another tag on thevehicle what so he’s using his own product too much yeah that’s that’s exactly what’sgoing on so we start looking at the tag and um in Oklahoma we have like theselight blue tags with black lettering horrible horrible for trying to read unless you’re more than like less than acar lengths behind them yeah I bet but you’re looking at it and you’re like hashe altered it in any way and if you didn’t get I mean like literally likesix inches from this thing you couldn’t tell but he had taken um maybe it was like I think itwas a d and he had taken a little strip of black electric tape and put it onthere and turn it into a be and so that’s what made it come back to this 75Camaro and the only thing we could figure out why he did this is because he was trying to avoid liketolls oh okay and that was the only reason she even like approached him tomake contact with him in that kind of like capacity in the first place so if he hadn’t done that it probably wouldhave been you know I’ll see you later because I think he was asking her to jump his car or something something like that it would have been hey we can’t dothat you know sorry have a nice din right but because he wanted to avoid tolls it turned into a fight lights andSirens tons of drugs seized and him going to jail for a very long timestupid it’s like the guy going 75 and a 40 who’s got a warrant you pull him over and you’re like yeah no one ever wouldhave known dummy what are you doing yeah or or the person that you sto for a minor traffic infraction and they decideto it up and I know my rights you until you pull them out of the car and arrestthem and take them to jail for obstruction right because I’ve had that happen a couple times too with the likeSovereign citizens and stuff I’m a free man traveling you hear those words you’re like well we’ve got an interesting oneso because Oklahoma um according to U murt which is case law um half of thestate is now an Indian Reservation um but we have all been cross commissioned by the tribes toenforce State and Tribal Law anywhere Within These lands right so I taught aguy where I went to stop a car and uh itit was weird it was like there was a car and then there was a truck behind the car and the target vehicle was the carin front so we come up to a stop sign and I try to lights and siren my wayaround the truck to go after the car but every time I try to go around it this guyaccelerates and uh anytime he accelerate like I’m trying to go by he acceleratesand I can’t get from this car well finally I get around him and I stop the car he pulls in behind me and jumps outand starts yelling all this she’s native you can’t stop her you can’t it was the lady’shusband and it turned into him going to jail for obstruction over like her tag being outof date or something ridiculous love it happens all the timey job security it’s stupidity out there yes William can you tell us uh your moremost intense or terrifying call you’ve dealt with yeah absolutelyso um once again I got two stories on I’m very indecisive everything is coolto me so um my first one was before I even went out fto I had just kind ofgotten over to the courthouse um and in my city where the courthouse is there is also a very largeConvention Center um kind of adjacent to it and we’re sitting there getting readyfor Squad brief it’s like 8 o’clock in the morning and one of our deputies runs in and she’s like hey uh City just endeda Pursuit over at the Cox building um armed murder suspectwho just took off inside of the Cox building and is now a barricaded subjectwhoops so we’re like okay everybody runs out to their cars and grabs their rifles and you just see like this stream of 30deputies walking across like the plaza to uh the Cox center and uh we get overthere and we walk inside and it’s just like oh man how are we G to find thisguy and uh it became even more scary when we found out he was a securityguard that worked at the convention center yeah had keys to everything andalso had a radio to where he could monitor Communications and stuff like that Nob like okay this is reverse diehard that that’s exactly what this is um and so we start getting with City andtrying to formulate a plan and they decide all right he’s barricading he’snot an active shooter or anything like that we’re going to set up a perimeter hold for SWAT so they send us us out to theperimeter and I’m holding the door and they send SWATinside and at one point the door swings open and all I see is a muzzle comeout and I don’t hear Sheriff’s Office I don’t hear police nothing I just see amuzzle peek out of the door and I’m immediately just like oh boy here we go well thanksuh I ided my Target and it was our SWAT guys and um the guy who came out of thedoor turned to me and goes uh Hey long follow me back in we don’t have enough people to clear this place come clearthis place with us I’m like me rookie me I was like I don’t have a rifle I don’thave I have L pistola I can’t like and he’s like no come on he was like I’veseen you do active shooter training come come with us and so so I ended up going in with SWAT and clearing thisentire massive convention hall yeah and it it was scary becauselike we had no idea where the guy was he he had actually just killed his father the night before and then I guess whenCity tried to make a traffic stop on his vehicle he took off on him and then raninto the convention center and you’re thinking this guy has access the whole building yeah he’s armed he knows whereeverything is and you know who who knows if thisguy has any kind of training or anything like that some of these security guys I mean they’re like the epin of Barney Fbut some of these guys you know they’re combat veterans that came back and just decided to work security so yeah whatkind of guy is this who are we dealing with you know is he going to sit in a spot and like quietly pick people offright or or what it you know it ended up being okay he eventually uh they contacted him on likeI guess the in-house radio system um and as we were clearing the building theywere able to talk him down and talk him out we we took him into custody and it was okay but uh the pucker Factor was at100% going into that building yeah absolutely man how exhausted were you afterthat I was pretty tired I was pretty tired because I had probably spent MaybeI don’t know an hour just sitting on the perimeter like this and thankfully I find found like a rail to lean on um andof course the news is like right at my five o’clock and has a perfect shot ofme and my partner holding this door and I’m like oh I can’t I can’t do anything stupid or I’m gonna get in trouble yourshoulders are burning funny story actually got called into the office afterwards because uh I guess somebodywas watching the news footage and uh had texted one of my supervisors hey one ofyour deputies is on his phone while he’s supposed to be holding the area and they called me in they were like so we heardyou were on your phone I was like what are you talking about and they showed me the news clip and what it was was I hadpulled my radio out of its holder and I was setting it to the right Mutual Aid channel that us and city and state andeverybody else had gotten on for this thing yeah and so that that that wasfunny and and of myself but I by the end of it I was gassed I bet I was tired high stress and then had to go work a uha full day at Courthouse after that you you like I just want to sit down I wantto lie down I was like I’m I’m sweaty I’m tired can I go home and take a shower nope go to court have fun yeahyeah so that that that was my first one and then um since I have been to fto andgotten a little bit under my belt you know maybe if that had happened to me now it wouldn’t have stuck in my mind asmuch yeah when you’re new I mean everything is every every first thing you do is more intense and that is alegit intense scenario so it’s like a multiplier you know yeah so this next one uh I wouldsay now if I if if I had to pick now this would now be my mostintense um so every year we have a County Fair umand for that fair we are the only law enforcement because it is on Countyproperty City doesn’t have anything to do with it State doesn’t have anything to do with itand imagine the county fair in a major metropolitan area where there is a highlevel of crime um so it is all hands- on Deck everybody’s out there we’re walking ingroups of like you know no less than like three or four people uh uh justbecause so many people come in with guns there’s a lot of beef The Gangs come outand like to settle their beef at the fair great um so I’m working the fairand we have one rule number one of the fair is don’t run um unless you are dealing with alife or death situation do not run because if people see cops running it’s going to start some kind ofmass hysteria that that’s their biggest spere so I’m walking down the Midwayjust chilling with my buddies probably eating like a turkey leg or something I having a good time just chilling yeahand comes across the radio hey we just spotted a um juvenile male displaying afirearm he just he saw me saw him and he took off from me he’s headed in thisdirection and I listen I’m like oh he’s headed right towards us so turkey legsgone I’m looking for our suspect and I’m like okay he’s armed and I see these twojuveniles and you know there’s a bunch of kids out there running around being stupid so these two kids I see themrunning towards me and I go hey stop and just about the time I say stop I realizethey’re probably not who we’re looking for another kid Cuts behind them and isin a dead Sprint and I’m like there’s the guy so I take off running afterafter him and uh we cut a corner and come around my Corporal comes out ofnowhere and like runs past me he’s a former Marine and is just an absolute unit of a dude comes by me and tacklesthis dude and I ended up jumping into the fight and immediately this guy’shand goes right to his waistband and he’s going for his gun atthis point and so I’m on top of him directly on his backum my corporal’s on his left and has his left hand and is giving him commands heyget your hand away from there get your hand away from there and I’m trying to crank his arm back but the way we arehis hand is on the gun like flat and then his body is on top of itand then my body’s on top of him so unless we crank his arm out you knowit’s not coming out unless he either Bridges up or decides to pull that gun so like well how do I get his hand outof there and I I’m I start thinking going through scenarios really fast in my head and my uh my brain goes back toan incident I had seen um on live PD actually um it camefrom my or my state as well um these two Tulsa police officers um same deal theypulled the guy out of the car and and started fighting him on the ground and he had gotten purchase on the gun in hiswaistband and they start doing all these you know Jiu-Jitsu moves and stuff and then I remember them saying they had toactually like Cy his fingers away from the gun so I’m like okay if I can get myhand in between his hand and the gun I can get purchase on it before he canright and in my like okay if I can’t get purchase on this gun I guess the nextthing I’m going to do is draw my firearm and put at the back of his head and start giving commands I I don’t know what else to do in this situation rightso I shoot my hand down and I am able to kind of weasle it in between his handand the gun and I just I I grab a hold of his pistol and as hard as I can I just yankit out and get it away from him I get up disengage other deputies come in and umyou know they cuff him up and stuff and I’m sitting there and I go and I clear the weapon I’m just likeoh okay yeah I just okay okay this guyhad a gun he had a hand on the gun um and that that could have gone a bunch ofdifferent ways yeah because you know that’s where your mind goes he’s he wants the gun tokill me to kill us yeah and that’s what I was thinking too I was like this guy’s an idiot for trying to shoot his way outof you know 100 deputies surrounding him but people do dumb stuff and uh you know we got the gunaway and afterwards I was thinking about it I was like that that could have gone you know two or three different ways hegets it out and shoots one of us we end up having to shoot him orwhile I was you know fumbling around for that gun what if if it had negnegligently discharged or something yeah someone’s finger slips in there and shotboth of us but it was the best plan I had at the moment so yeah that’s whatyou that’s sometimes that’s all you got man thank goodness it worked out you know if you shot his shot hisballs off that would have been a big loss anyways but you don’t want to shoot yourself well you know you say that butwhen there’s um thousands of people around at the fair with video cameras eating turkeye tury legs it seems like anytime we get into any kind of public altercation with people out there um whether we’re rightor or not it always ends up on the news and we’re always wrong period no matterwhat like the like the radio cell phone thing thanks thanks for the back thanks for assuming the worst about meperfect yep that’s what we’re dealing with hey um do you have a heartwarmingstory something to tickle the heartstrings for these people I I do umand it ties into what I’m doing now I guess I had kind of said that I am umback at the courthouse um I have now been assigned to our felony domestic violencedocket um and I am slowly trying to get that transitioned into a felony domesticviolence unit that operates out of the courthouse because uh while we’re at thecourthouse um we’re able to talk to to all the victim Advocates the Das all theother agencies it’s just a perfect Nexus sure andOklahoma is fighting with another state for number one in domestic violence every year we go back and forth o um andmy county is number one in the state for domestic violence so if so facto mycounty is number one in the nation for domestic violence um DV has always been somethingclose to my my heart um I had a lot of uh friends family and you know even umpeople I’ve been in relationships with that have been victims of domestic violence and um you know a lot ofcops don’t want to deal with it ordon’t there’s only so much Patrol can do you know yeah because you show up to afight when that from a the the Nexus of the problem has been going on 20 years and you show up in 5 minutes you got tofigure it out so it’s like everybody’s mad at you it’s super dangerous half the time the girl’s mad at you when youarrest the guy even though he was beating her so it’s like there’s no it never feels good it never it neverworks out so a lot of people shy away from this um I’m going head first intoit good for you I think I’ve got funding figured out throughgrants if anybody else out there listening um knows of any grants that Icould apply for for this please you know holler at me holler at Steve and you can get a hold of me absolutely more moneywould be great um because I want to take this whole presentation go to thesheriff and be like hey we’ve already got everything figured out we know who’s going to be in it we know what we’regoing to do and we have the funding for it all we need is you to say okay soyou’ll like that if you got the money they the boss always likes that right and I think we found enough funding umbut you know a little more doesn’t doesn’t hurt yeah um so my most recentthing uh like I said I’ve been working with the Das and victim Advocates and things like that um I had a friend ofmine that came to me and said hey um I have this other best friend that’s beenexperiencing domestic violence um it’s it’s been an ongoing thing but she doesn’t want to report ityet she doesn’t want me to tell you her name I’m not going to betray her trust anything like that like okay I was likewhen she’s ready to talk you know have her holler at me sure and um a coupleweeks go by and then I get another phone call and they’re like hey um it got baduh she ended up calling the police um he got arrested um but he threatened her andshe was so afraid of his threat that she went and actively bonded himout I was like okay and she said they’re living in thesame house this this violence goes on every night um and I was like well if he wasbonded out surely there’s some kind of no contact order in place um that youknow the court put out if they’re living in the same place he’s violated that no contact order I was like ask her youknow if he was in jail would she promise not to bail him out again and tocooperate with law enforcement and the Das to get this guy prosecuted and to get him away from her and herchildren and uh I guess she talked to her and she came back with a you know yeah I messed up I shouldn’t have bailedhim out I just want him gone um I’m tired of being trapped in my ownlike he would park behind her or he would physically keep her in the house things like that geez threatened to killher dog um he actually threatened to kill her and dump her body in herchild’s room um just just a standup guy you know yeah he’s good dude so I start talkingwith the Das and stuff and I’m like hey um if I can catch this guy you know violating this sow cont contactorder um can I get a warrant put out and they were like yeah yeah we’ll talk tothe judge we’ll make it happen like cool so I find out when this guy’s cominghome and uh I just do like a little driveby like right when he comes home Icatch him going into his driveway going into the garage I run the tag it comes back to him umI uh get a little bit of video of him and our victim out in the front yard andshe’s like actively talking with him about the domestic violence like showing bruises and things like that and I’mlike cool so I write up an affidavit I send it to the DA’s office um on like aFriday or no it was a Thursday um and onFriday she decides that she she’s had enough of this shedoesn’t want to wait she doesn’t want to wait for us she doesn’t want to wait for the warrant um and she’s like I’m ready toget an emergency protective order and in our state um it doesn’t have to be thecounty or you know a process server or anybody like that that serves anemergency protective order um any law enforcement agency can actually do thatyeah um so I get with the municipality that she’s in and I’m like um I actuallydrove down there cuz they were doing a a well-being check on her and she wasn’t at the house but I knew where she wasand so I got go down there and link up with the officers that were doing the wellness check and when I pull up he’s like I’mactually on the phone with her right now I was like tell her you’re with me andtell her to come over here and so he relays that he’s with me and immediately she like changes her attitude and she’slike I’m on my way great and she comes over um I kind of talk the municipalofficers through how like the EPO works and stuff like that we go back to the station she files another report becausehe had just abused her again um and I get her and find her asafe place to go it’s our mutual friend’s house and then she stays with her um all this while they’re trying toget this EPO served all weekend but he’s just Hol Up in the house he won’t answerthe door he’s not going anywhere and I gave him his vehicle and stuff and they’re they’re sitting at hishouse waiting for him to come out and he just he never comes out and so Monday finally rolls around Iget a call from the da and he like we we talked to the judge um showed him showedher that he violated the no contact order and and she can’t revoke his bondwhen he’s not present but what she can do is raise his bond to $5 million andissue a warrant for his arrest beautiful so yeah so his bond gets set at $5million warrant comes out um I call the municipality and I’m like hey do youguys uh you know want to go out on a uh $5 million Bond warrant and they’re likeabsolutely so they call in all their SWAT guys and their tack team uh thevictim comes out and actually gives them the keys to the house and is like hey I give you permission that’s my house goget it so they go in and get this guy I’m kind of sitting outside as like anobserver uh they drag him out and call him off to jail well finally she comesback and uh to the house and me and the municipal sergeant had looked looked atthe house and stuff and he had said that he had killed her animals and he had trashed her house and just all thisdifferent stuff well we went around and looked and everything seemed like it was okay so we were able to tell her heyyour house is fine your animals are fine he’s going to jail unless he has afriend that has $5 million cash he’s not getting out and uh they’re they’re going toprosecute this to the fullest extent of the law there’s not going to be any deals there’s not going to be anythinglike that and um as I’m walking away she just stops me she’s like hey William andI’m just like yeah she’s like thank you for giving me my life and I was just like oh okay thankyou like I did not expect that yeah that’s beautiful man and and when thathit me I was like this is what I want to do this is what I want to do all the time yeah I want to help these peoplethese anybody not just female victims but anybody that’s been victimized byyou know someone they love and they trust and um help them get their livesback while also giving them Justice and putting these people that would do harmto the people that they supposedly love and care about putting them in prison for a very long time yeah absolutelydude I love that story that’s my new Mission yeah good for you man I lovethat that’s great and it does feel good when you deal with a domestic situation you take the the perpetrator out of thehouse and the victim finally wants to help themselves youknow what I mean yeah because they and and they have their reasons and they go over it I’m sure in your Academy like todid mind because you people love to look at the victim and go well that’s what she gets you know she’s she had allthese opportunities but you got to understand number one there’s a psychological component of it that we’reall uh could be prayed to especially if if you’re the weaker in the relationshipyou’re the the weaker in physical stature and uh financially and you havekids and he’s the bread winner there’s all and and maybe you grow up with abuse so you’re not that you’re kind of usedto it and then it gets ratchet up so high you don’t even realize that you’re you know he’s punitively yeah we had onewhere the guy was punitively spanking her every day in front of her daughter not like playfully like here’s thethings you did wrong today now it’s your paddling and it goes on and on and it’s so sad but they’re not the ones to blamethey’re trapped you know like people don’t see it but it’s like an invisible cell um so man that’s beautiful thatyou’re doing that man I love it that’s great that I mean and that is uh that’ssomething I’ve been looking into a lot lately um like I I mentioned a couplegirls that I have dated have been victims of domestic violence and I I’ve had even one leave me to go back to herabuser and I was like like huh and so I’ve taken the time a lot lately to readbooks on the psychology of it and and get into the minds um I’m reading a book right now called why they stay yeah andit kind of covers everything and it’s everything you just said plus more darkstuff right it is it’s very dark and it’s veryum it was originally very confusing but the more I read about it the more I’mlike okay in a weird Twisted way that that makes a lot of sense you know thesethese people that get so used to it that they’re like oh this is love this isnormal yeah this means he cares Yeah man they can’t see past it they got to breakI mean it’s you know they gota like they said they got to break that cycle they gota they got to get out so sounds like you’re going to be the guy to help themdo it man that’s great that’s G to be very rewarding and hard that’s what I’m going to try and it’s it’s not just me Iam a very small part here’s the thing uh all the pieces are already there thereis you know domestic violence unit within the DA’s office and that’s all they handle we have um several umorganizations advocacy groups that help and and work with these people um wehave a court system uh a specialty court that is dedicated solely to domesticviolence the only thing we’re missing is a law enforcement element to go out there and make first Contact andinvestigate these crimes and go after these people that have outstanding DV warrants and that’s the role I’m tryingto fill yeah man good for you I love it you got to keep me updated on it let me know how it goes yeah absolutely verycool um William one last question for you we’re well over an hour here so I’m gon to let you go soon I appreciate yourtime yeah an hour and 12 so far um advice to new police officers peoplelooking to get into it what would you tell them from yourperspective well one don’t give up um and I I say that everybody’s said thatdon’t give up I I applied to so many law enforcement agencies um and it wasn’t until I wentout and I got certified on my own that I was picked up um so if you have thatavailability in your state to go to like a community college or a university or something sponsorship get your yeah andand get your certification without having a a sponsorship from an agency dothat because that will make you way more appealing I can’t tell you how many times I applied for a place andlike in my opinion and maybe even other pe people’s opinion there were bettercandidates than the guy that got hired but the guy that got hired was already certified and they didn’t have to pay tosend him it’s about the dollar bill um and in addition to that if you dowant to get to law enforcement learn about it as much about it as you can before going into it worka law enforcement and adjacent job whether it’s you know Private Investigations or security or BailEnforcement process serving anything like that um and watch YouTube watchYouTube and listen to podcasts about you know anything you’re interested in inlaw enforcement there is you videos about it and there are podcasts about itand that will help you set you up and kind of get you into that mentality and mindset before you even go to theacademy thank yeah good advice brother hey man I’m glad we finally got this done it was honored to have you Williamme too and I look I look forward to a few years down the road coming back I I would like to call this episode kind ofThe Story So Far yeah it’s great I’m getting you young so I can just keep tapping that tapping that well everycouple years man it’s perfect hey I’m going to do the um is there anywhere say somebody wanted to reach out to you oror um had a question or something like that do you want them to go through me or would you want to put an email out thereum i’ have them reach out to you and then you can just come to me for I normally I you know typically when Igive out my card and stuff it’s got my work email but those are people I’m meeting face to face right I don’t know if want my work email out there in theBig Blue Yonder so you want to get a hold get a hold of Steve and uh you knowhe’ll text me I don’t blame you a lot of guys do that and uh I get all kinds of emails from like producers and stufflike hey um you had so and so on about that about that murder or that missing person um we’re doing a documentary forso and so and we can’t get a hold of them so I’ll have to reach out to the cop and be like you know and sometimes the cop’s like no I’m all set like Idon’t have any interest in being on a documentary so I’m like okay but yeah so people reach out all the time but um youcan do that Steve at things bc.com reach out to me and I can get a hold of William I’ll do the vetting I’ll do yourbackground make sure you’re legit appreciate it all right brother can you hang on for like two minutes when I dothe outro absolutely all right the great William James Long ladies and gentlemenfantastic interview great conversation thank you to him for coming on thank you to all the rating and reviewing that’s been going on guys I truly appreciate 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