Drive By Shooting, Gun To Chest, Hit Put On Transporting Officers

this is things police see firstand accounts with your host Steve gold welcome to the podcast at interviews active and retired police officers both their their most intense bizarre and sometimes humorous moments on the job it is I old Ginger Prince old Ginger face coming at you thanks for being here with us guys thank you for joining us thank you for all the rating inter reviewing that’s going on uh in the binge listening I truly appreciate that we’re we’re going a little bit early with interview today usually it’s um in the evening so it’s kind of I have some light coming in through my basement window kind of has created some artifacts in my in my in my green screen I kind of look a little bit like Bruce Leroy you know if you ever seen that the last dragon uh kiss my Converse I got a little bit of a glow behind me um I’m doing something different today I’m trying for the first time to do the interview live just for fun just to see uh how it goes see if um questions pop up or if anybody is interested in that and either way it doesn’t matter because I’ll just I’ll just do my minimal editing and this will be a podcast episode and uh all will be well but lives are fun to do so I figured uh why not give it the old College try so here we are I hope your week has been good I did three doubles um back to back so uh your guy your uh your your boys pretty tired woke up this morning did um uh super hard kettle bell workout which felt great almost threw up uh had three Drive heaving sessions my my uh four-year-old is like Dad are you okay like I’m fine buddy and uh also had some heart palpitation so it was a good workout I think I got everything accomplished I needed to there went grocery shopping with the wife um wife is doing killing it doing a great job with the kids she’s doing such a good job with feeding them healthy food that they actually think chocolate hummus is a special treat which um no thanks not a special treat it’s hummus that they put cocoa in which I think is weird it reminds me of when I was a kid and my mom would make a big deal about going to my grandmother’s house and she would tell me there’s going to be candied carrots Candi carrots are so good oh my gosh they’re candy and I was thinking like all the time I was always thinking it’s like candy corn so of course I was excited and then the great betrayal happens when they give you the candy carrots and it’s just actual carrots uh with maple syrup which is disgusting I think you’ll all agree so wife’s doing a great job kids are healthy they think fruits are a treat which is which is phenomenal I can’t get there myself because I’m a bit of a piggy but uh that’s my week so far I’m glad you’re here with us I’m glad you’re joining us for those people are joining us live welcome feel free to comment uh ask a question of the guests um and I’ll I’ll keep an eye on the comments and um you know I’ll throw them up there when appropriate so today today we have uh a Mississippi Cooper who’s been on the job five years he went from police officer to Federal Officer for the National Park Service now deputy sheriff for a large Sheriff’s Department in the great state of Mississippi without any further Ado let me bring on Tyler sir hey brother good to see you man thanks for coming on the show brother absolutely yeah dude you and you you’re a fan of the show you’ve listened to a bunch of episodes so you know what it’s all about yeah I’ve listened to probably your whole catalog dude that’s great I love that man that’s the best um I get sometimes you get the guys who have a book out or are on TV and they’re like they have no idea they have no idea what the show is about they’re just their publicist gave it to them and they just don’t you know they don’t have the same love for the show so I I appreciate that about you man already absolutely brother so you are in Mississippi when you were you you do police fed back to police as a deputy sheriff um when you started as police officer was this uh a small town agency big city what was it it’s a a rather large city in the State uh I think it’s around the fourth largest city in the state really okay so what what about working there made you want to try working for the Park Service as a cop honestly as you’re aware money is not very uh affordable everywhere in law enforcement uh right they just appreciated me a little bit better financially yeah I enjoyed enjoyed my first three and a half years at that agency but it was time to live on yeah I hear you man it’s tough like I was just watching a um a study they did about uh cost of living and like um what you need to make you know as a middle class person if the middle class is even left after this whole thing and it’s like to the equivalent to uh like to for for a dad and the mom to stay home and have kids and all that they said you need to minimal minimally to be comfortable make 178,000 dollar a year which is insane and they the same with today’s money the same money 50 years ago it was like 65 Grand in today’s money so it’s it’s not even close dude like I made I made good money I made more money than I ever made last year this podcast and working and doing tons of um overtime Road Road jobs I made um uh a pretty good I made like I don’t know just under $120,000 and I have I saved $1,400 for the year that was it brother I got three kids wife stays home um does a homeschooling thing and our grocery bill is like $500 a week it’s freaking nuts come to the South man cost living so much lower is it better anything that you’re talking about it it is actually better but the salaries are wicked low aren’t they in comparison to up Northeast so just to uh put my agency up top I believe that we were the high paid in the entire State okay so you guys are making good bank lots of opportunities for overtime and like uh private jobs between overtime uh just base salary and promotions it’s out of this part yeah yeah absolutely man I I don’t know maybe uh Mississippi’s very humid though it is extremely humid it is so humid I was there I I went to Graceland um I stayed in I stayed in West Mississippi which is in Arkansas you stayed in probably West Memphis I’m guessing yeah yeah I’m sorry I’m an idiot West Memphis that’s pretty close uh of course we’ve already talked about it but yeah it’s pretty close to what I know gotcha yeah they said Elvis um when I went on the tour they said Elvis was like King I mean obviously he’s the king but they really did treat him like royalty there like him and his buddies they said would hit the roads on their go-karts drinking and and ATVs and whatever and the cops are just like that’s just Elvis just hanging with his buds let’s be nice so plug my original agency without actually saying it it’s the birthplace of Elvis okay yeah man Elvis was uh did have you been a gree land I have dude how about this Barn he’s got he’s got this little barn and one of the Stalls was for a shooting gallery and then the other stalls were keeping animals got I mean it’s freaking awesome um you can’t take the Mississippi out of the guy you could just take the guy out of Mississippi yeah absolutely so Tyler you go to the feds and you do that for a little bit and now you’re back um as a deputy sheriff between all of them looking at all of them copper Federal Officer and deputy sheriff is this is Deputy Sheriff the best you think so I’m still new but my experience at my current agency it far surpasses anything that I’ve had in the past I mean of course you have uh pros and cons everywhere you go yeah but as far as allowing you to do your job compensating you for your work and also supporting you in even outside of work I’ve never had an agency that’s been better that’s great that seems to be the theme um it and it doesn’t seem to matter what state you’re in it seems like sheriffs are uh the sheriff’s departments are are a lot more uh Pro like actually enforcing laws and like letting the guys do their thing like cuz my buddy lives up my buddy uh Ken Royal host of uh police applicant podcast check him out great great guy um he lives outside Olympia and even up there the sheriff’s departments are like are more conservative they they’re more into enforcing the law and not worrying about the woke politicians you know yeah and sorry I’m trying to make sure that we’re straight here again but uh no it’s a uh it’s a blessing to be where I’m at just because generally in the state you can either have a great job with a great boss and get paid dirt money or you can get paid good money and work an okay job with probably not the best boss yeah because with in the sheriff’s department there’s like the sheriff is they can put you on any shift they want right do you guys have a union or anything like that uh we do not yeah so you’re kind I don’t think we have any unions in the state we of course have uh the police Ben elant Association which is kind of like a after Thea uh Union that supplies lawyers Etc right but as far as unionized there’s not much work other than like trade work in the state that is actually unionized okay interesting yeah so you’re kind of at the will of um whatever however they see fit you got to work that shift absolutely they do it by seniority seniority which as you’re aware like hiring issues as well as applicant issues nowadays senority comes pretty quickly yeah yeah because people are leaving the job so yeah that’s not a bad thing to have a bunch of people under you yeah more than me Tyler can you take us back to um five years ago when you started what was the first Hot call that you went on the first call that really got your uh adrenaline going so the first hot call that I ever went on looking back it’s probably not that hot of a call I mean of course there’s violence but the first call that I ever went on as a young police officer was a shooting into an occupied dwelling the reason I remember it is because I remember looking over and watching my field trainer turn on the lights turn on the siren and for the first time since I had graduated the Academy I actually felt like a real police officer yeah of course we got there and I mean you have to understand that for the first time you actually have to do the role of a police officer versus just saying that you are a police officer so I had to get there and talk to the victims and understand what was going on uh of course coming from modern day just normal life you don’t know what questions to ask somebody uh but we were able to determine that it was a for lack of a better word gang uh driveby based on somebody that lives there that was not present oh yeah yeah that’s that’s got to be intense when you’re like trying to keep it together and uh you know use your brain but it’s like your first shooting call so you’re like all pumped up trying to keep it together as a law enforcement officer so so it said or and also as a trainee because you get there and you’re like hey I have no absolute idea what is even going on right now yeah is it I always when you’re new in law enforcement because you’re supposed to be like the the you know the authority the long arm of the law and when you show up and you have to have a field trainer or senior officer or a sergeant like kind of tell you what to do I it’s like so embarrassing if the Public’s there it’s like ah now they know that I don’t know nothing even now I mean like my current agency policy is you call supervisor before you call uh whatever division Vision that you’re going to call Etc just to verify that you have what you need to call that specific agent or investigator in order to do that so even now I’m like hey I got to make a call even though I I know that that is exactly what I’m gonna do yeah it makes sense if the you know if the if the agency if the agency is going to call somebody in or spend extra money they want a supervisor to look at it and kind of just a second set of eyes to approve it right absolutely so was that it was that you went there and you took the statement and they kind of didn’t give you anything good uh so as I’m sure that you’ve responded to calls they weren’t extremely helpful because they knew the the backstory and they knew kind of the reasoning behind what it was so ended up being another victimless crime basically yeah yeah I remember I I did a background on a kid in LA and um similar thing drive by at the house the kid wasn’t even there but he was in a you know aunt and uncle took in the their nephew to try to help him get his you know straighten up and their their reward for that was um the the gang pulled up in the low rider and you know yelled where you from and lit up the the aunt and uncle with the AK in the front yard it was like and then and then their son applied to be a police officer so um he indicated this incident to me so then I had to like talk to the the guys on the um gang task force and all that to make sure that it wasn’t him that they were trying to shoot and it turns out it was just just a like a random cousin they were trying to help out who wasn’t even there and these guys were down the road partying and they were like hey I think he’s staying over there man they just go down and freaking lit up grandma or uh the aunt and uncle so yeah that that that’s that’s rough man so you’re working you’re working in a real urban area at that that type of thing is happening yeah at that time it was and now my current agency has at least large enough cities that they can kind of keep a I guess a good check of their areas but then or back then we were like the largest agency in the entire County so we have to of course do everything we are the ones that even the County calls on stuff like that yeah yeah I hear you um Tyler can you tell us about uh a strange or bizarre thing you’ve dealt with on the job Strang or bizarre that is literally the that should be the definition of police officer what can you possibly expect of a human in a normal time because of course we don’t respond to hey I’m having a great day will you please come talk to me right we we respond to people on their worst day at the worst time it could possibly be if I had to give you an example of a stranger bizar call uh there is one that has been a party story sadly for years uh so I got it got dispatched to a individual that was running down the road claiming that he had been uh for like of better word sexually assaulted by a Dragon H I get to the get to the residence and I see that there was a a fire that had occurred inside of the residence I make contact with the individual and he immediately Retreats from me and runs into a bush I guess at this point you could you’ve already understood that he is probably under the influence of at least one substance if not more but he has dreamt up that he has a gun and is going to kill us for being there just he just is pretending he has a gun uh at the time of course I didn’t know uh this is a completely new residence that I’ve never been to a person that I’ve never dealt with and I can tell that something’s off uh partially I wanted to go investigate the residents because I don’t know if there’s somebody in there that’s in danger whatever else but I also have this guy that standing in a bush telling me that he has a gun and is going to kill me so I was the less than [Music] lethal 12 gauge guy on that side of the bean bag guy yeah on that side of the the city and it had never been used so of course I watched like LAPD videos where they use them quite a bit and they’re they’re a great tool but it had never been utilized in the entirety of the time that we had one so I was like this is probably a great scenario for one because I have no absolute idea that this guy either does or does not have a firearm I had a partner on the scene that also had lethal cover on him I decided hey it’s probably a good time to go ahead and try to utilize this piece of equipment that we have and so I get it out of course rack around into it and he said that’s fine you got a gun I got a gun too I give him like commands ad nauseum to show me his hands or to come out of the Bush or whatever else it may be and of course it’s the uh normal [ _ ] you uh I don’t have to listen to you this is my house whatever so after about 17 commands I finally deploy it and get a successful hit uh because I’m not sure what every other agency is teaching as far as the area that you’re supposed to actually deploy that shotgun but my pres or that agency was your best option for deployment is going to be the upper thigh area and either the front or rear portion because you’re going to miss all the vital yeah they put all those red marks on the chart like no heart no groin no face it’s like where am I supposed to shoot the guy so uh a little bit of a spoiler the groin was Green in our area nice yikes so so I got a successful hit on the left thigh but he was bladed in the actual Bush and of course whenever he heard the uh actual primer being fired off to send the round he kind of Twisted a little bit so you have a a a good Mark on the middle left thigh but then you have a trail of a bruise right to uh its ending point which was sadly the groin area yeah and of course he he complied he he made sure that uh he did not want another round yeah those things got to hurt man I would imagine so with that being said got immediate compliance he laid down put his hands behind his back I cuff him and put him in the back of the car and the first thing he said to me is well you shot me because I’m a vampire and you’re a werewolf me this is probably 11 hours into my 12- hour shift I was like whatever you say man of of course like yeah clearly you’re not on the same plane that I am yeah and at that point he starts back into his Dragon speech and uh whatever else he can think of at the present moment so at that point I had no idea that he had a a debilitating injury I transport him to the jail and in that certain jail there is a white intake bench where you take prisoners and you f out your booking sheet and the Jailer comes out and actually searches and changes the individual out for intake while sitting on that white bench uh as soon as he stood up there was a large puddle of blood oh and and at that point of course it had to be investigated somebody’s got somebody’s got to look of course medical was called yeah yeah and an ambulance responded well they took him to the hospital for lack of a better word just because uh the amount of blood he had lost and the area of the injury and I finally found out after a little bit of time that I had uh impacted an area that probably nobody wants to is weiner say that they well not not exactly that uh ju just below his Satchel yeah I hit the twins man oh man so I I I hit the left twin and it kind of uh went ahead and destroyed the other twin as well oh my gosh damn that’s absolutely brutal and like while being transported was he complaining about his balls at all no I asked him like because I saw of course the uh bruise on his thigh and I asked hey do you have any injuries anywhere else and he said no I’m good man I just got a raped by a dragon and I just came from another place where there was a giant earthworm trying to eat my ass yeah then cop like pulverized my my balls there’s no talking to there’s there’s no conversation that we can have in a normal way damn man that’s bizarre I guess like to take another question from your uh your catalog which I I have another answer for by the way as sad as I was that this happened to somebody because of course police never want to cause permanent damage to anybody yeah I mean nobody ever wants to say hey yeah I did this just so everybody knows we just want to wrap wrap it up we want the incident over we’re not we don’t want to hurt somebody if we have to we will but we want to I anyways I just want it to be over I just want it to be wrapped up I want the person secured and it to be over like I said I clock in and clock out uh 12 hours at a time and I definitely didn’t want that to be my my final thought of the day yeah but in preparation for so I’m not sure what adjoining or like kind of corresponding laws that you would have in Mass but the only thing I charged him with was disorderly conduct better to comply with the commands of an officer and public intoxication because he was clearly uh not present in this world yeah so you didn’t know assault with a deadly weapon or anything like that no so I guess to back step a little bit he did have what he believed to be a firearm it was a toy firearm but the reasoning in me actually deploying the less lethal is because he did actually dive down and try to grab that yeah and at that at that point you don’t meet deadly force but you’re pretty close to it especially if he brings whatever else up with him yeah uh so I felt like that was the best option at the point but in preparation for his court case on just the disorderly conduct and just the public intoxication you know I went back and read my report because I’m not sure how it is testifying in your courts but it’s kind of frowned upon if you read line by line uh yeah they make us like your report we can have um our report usually like the da or somebody will will give it to us but we basically if you want to reference your report you pretty much have to say like my memory is exhausted can I look at it and then they’ll let you but yeah you’re not supposed to sit there and just read your report they like the judge will tell you not to do that yeah so I always try to like at least understand why I was in the mindset that I was or whatever that present circumstance was yeah and during that uh the certain system that we were using at the time it notified you when somebody had a felon warrant and he had a felony warrant for assaulting a nine-year-old child oh jeez and telling this nine-year-old child that if she came forward with what happened that he would do the same to her parents and make her watch man well you know what I think God might have aimed that bean bag for you exactly my thoughts on the situation damn man that’s crazy um we don’t have uh the agency I used work at we had bean bag guns um with the orange stocks and all that but um we don’t have them currently and only time I’ve ever deployed one was uh on a raccoon that was rabid it was it was in a tree and they it had I think there was there must have been an exposure to a human cuz if you have an exposure to rabies for a human and you don’t have the animal then the human has to go get rabies shots and they put them like in your I think they put them like in your hips they’re really really really they’re really brutal so you want to have the animal right so we um dude the raccoons I mean animals are tough like we were bouncing um I wasn’t doing it another cop was doing he was bouncing bean bags off its face it wouldn’t come down it was fine so I ended up just killing it with a like 12 gauge but um that’s my really only experience and then I want to tell you when you said the vampire thing about this guy that’s so weird because I wrestled with a guy um in an apartment and just like known to be crazy lots of interc count you know interactions you know the type like a frequent flyer um we go into his apartment and there’s um there’s a 35 gallon trash can and it’s like one of those railroad Apartments kind of with a galley kitchen you have to walk through it to get to the bedroom he had made all these suicidal threats and there that that 35 gallon bucket is filled with brown liquid and it stinks and me and the other two cops are looking at each other like what’s in that and because then we’re picturing wrestling with the guy with that and I’m like dude I do not want that liquid on me at all like I will go that gets on me I’m going home uh and I’m not coming until next week so uh anyways we end up wrestling with that guy but he called us um he was a vampire and he said that we were good for nothing vampire Hunters which was you know when you said that I was like that reminds me of that guy Ivan I dealt with so that’s um I think a common theme I think it’s just all the they’re watching too much TV and they’re they’re clearly taking too many too many drugs yeah too many substances absolutely no I mean too long didn’t read he told me his name was uh Damon Salvatore that’s which is a wonderful name for a TV character yeah absolutely that’s like a good pen name for an author or something was that that like the Vampire Diaries oh is that what it is that is the actual character because he gave me he gave me that name and a date of birth of like one one 1900 or something along that lines well yeah I mean so of course at that agency the protocol was to actually run it and then go back and try to get a realistic name and date of birth right yeah because then if you run it you you know it’s then you have the you can have the charge if you want for giving false information yes so it it it was ran but I mean I knew it was uh for lack of better word [ _ ] the whole time yeah yeah obviously guy’s nuts um that’s a good one man so Tyler can you tell us about your most intense or terrifying uh situation Intense or terrifying so I have a present and intents and a past terrifying with the present intents so I guess to reference all of my stories they’re kind of short because you and I both know as police officers we think oh yeah well you know I’ve done some things but there are other other people that have been through a lot more looking back through your catalog it’s like DEA special agent FBI uh stuff like that so even though at one point I was in a federal federal agency every one of us kind of discounts our stories and believes that you know somebody else has seen more or somebody else has done more yeah of course and with that I mean a lot of my stories are short but they have substance uh so as far as the present story like I guess the initial encounter with the subject I was doing foot patrol in the neighborhood because we had a lot of complaints of like narcotics trafficking stuff like that and with that we tried to deploy a different method in order to patrol a certain area I made a corner and the guy just took off running which is of course to us suspicious for the lack or for lack of a better word told him to stop and he continued so at that point I pursued on foot another officer at the time actually took him down and I was the second to him well I got on top of him and I felt something hit my chest and it was a firearm when that firearm hit my chest the only thing that I was thinking about was I’ve got to get this away or I’ve got to take this blow and it’s probably not going to be great considering that we wear soft armor and the firearm itself was like a 45 short barrel so at that close of a range I’m going to say probably would have done some damage to that soft armor yeah probably to me so once it hit my chest the first thing that I did when you say hits your chest you mean he had it pointed into your chest yeah he extended and actually pushed it into my chest okay and once it hit my chest of course everybody has the reaction of fight or flight well I knew at that point there’s no running that can occur it’s going to be fight right so unbeknownst to me it was uh removed from his person and he was detained but not before I heard a click and of course we you’re a Firearms instructor you understand when you get that metallic click yeah either you’re empty or there’s been a malfunction yeah well there was a malfunction and that malfunction occurred because he had the wrong caliber rounds loaded into that dude that’s insane how often do you think about that quite a bit just because literally like that close and when that happened I was like yeah there’s uh there’s definitely danger in this which this was I mean two and a half years in I’ve seen and done plenty of things at that point to know that you know it’s a dangerous job but I’d never been like presently confronted with hey you might actually die during the shift yeah the guy tried to murder you it’s insan I mean so people listening if you don’t know with with soft body armor there’s all kind of ratings on it um for what it’s capable of stopping but when you get up when you get up to 45s and heavier rounds um at very close range it would probably still stop the bullet but it would stretch too far to be ma like um to be effective so it could it might have stopped around but it might have pushed the vest three inches into your chest it could still hit your heart it could you know break your breastplate like that just because you had the vest on when you’re talking those kind of distances still still could have killed you absolutely and so that’s that’s like a present thing every single time like of course at my current agency it’s a little bit more higher speed uh people more frequently flee just because they know that they have something to actually flee from that’s one of the reasons why I left that agency is because I mean you could arrest somebody for a misdemeanor take them to the jail and the jail wouldn’t take them because they were only at that time taking this was covid time by the way way yeah they were only taking like violent felonies or something equating to that so you would have to keep them in your cells then at that point we would have to site and release them really so in you’re in that in Mississippi um so for us we’d have to call a bail commissioner and they would have to you know set bail so for us if we had that situation and the jail wouldn’t take somebody but the bail commissioner had already set $2,500 bail because of his past record even if it’s a misdemeanor then we would have to just be with him until till he could go to court it would be like a complete nightmare so it sounds like in Mississippi you guys could kind of change you could kind of like it’s more fluid you could be like all right now we’re just going to site them and release them that’s something you can do it’s something that was used in that time when we had no options yeah uh so we had like a postrest release citation which is for something that warrants more than a citation but less than a trip to jail so like if you stop somebody that has marijuana but it’s more than likely going to be just a misdemeanor possession of marijuana you can seize the substance and site them but it’s more than just writing on a traffic citation that they possess marijuana gotcha all right so you guys had to cut them loose yeah he he was cut loose well not him but at that time uh that’s kind of what was going on there right oh yeah yeah I mean what am I saying here there’s no way they would God him L he tried to murder you oh damn man so Steve I am faced with a an issue I have a training battery and it’s like deil or debilitating draining uh is there any way that I can take a brief intermission and get that uh remedied yeah do you need like a plug a charger in or yeah I gota go locate and plug one in yeah yeah do it man and then swap earphones yeah go for it all right like I said I hate that it happened but uh I definitely don’t want to cut off from you no yeah do it man whatever we got to do to keep it going all right give me one second sure all right taking a quick intermission here Tyler’s got to get a a charger for his phone so far so good uh thank you to all the people who are are watching live good to see you guys on here uh William James Long says sup what is this picture William this is a this is a very old picture of you I think please tell me um bat snore bat snore says hi there hello good sir thank you for being here uh now William James long is also on the Facebook commenting I’m uh on Facebook in you two I’m a double threat and then William James Long says you’re able to save money wonder what that’s like yeah but um only because I have money automatically taken out and put into a like a IRA for like a supplemental retirement and it a a few times this year it’s been like really like really painful because I’ve been down to like no money and then that comes out and I’m like G but the good thing about it is it’s um it’s uh I can’t stop it it goes It goes in and uh I can’t uh I can’t take it out quickly or easily um but here we go Tyler’s Back Sir all right so can you hear me now yeah buddy are you still able to hear me okay just making sure no absolutely I had to switch headphones as well because of course these damn myphones no I hear you man so what is your uh your second intense moment so of course that was crazy and something that you think about every call after that yeah every time you Pur to anybody anything like that but my secondary is actually with the Park Service responding to another uh Ranger that was on a traffic stop and it’s it’s an issue because I’ve seen other law enforcement kind of let it slide and now I can understand why it shouldn’t be able to slide so basically the premise of the stop the certain area that I was working at that time the speed limit was 50 miles hour for the entirety of I worked at Parkway so speed limit was 50 miles hour for the duration of the entire Parkway and this individual will stopped for going 93 on the parkway damn it’s moving pretty normal because I mean at least weekly you would stop a joy Rider or two that was just trying to test the limits of their vehicle whatever else but in this present situation it was four individuals that were uncooperative and basically with the difference in districts on that par way you were probably a 100ish miles away from your nearest backup other than like local or state agencies that would actually assist but this certain Ranger when I heard it in his voice I knew I needed to go ahead and head that way so I made a a trip of about 90 mil pretty quickly and respond resped there he had already had everybody detained with the state and local agencies that responded to him and I thought the entire case was basically buttoned up at that point until the next day when we were reviewing our cameras because this individual had given a false name and and the US Marshals actually had to Live Scan him and figure out who he actually was uh he had 28 felony warrants for geez six surrounding states he was in a a ring of basically burglary SL robbery uh charges in all the states [Music] and when we went back we were just trying to verify that like nothing else had occurred what I didn’t realize is I heard a approximately hour and a half long uh plan to set up a Ambush on the transporting officer of that uh subject what do you mean you heard it from how did you hear it so we have rear camera cage or at that agency we had rear camera cages yeah so we could hear live audio and video of what was occurring in the back seat and I I listened to about an hour and a half of this individual setting up what would be a hit on because I was the transporting officer at that point and had we taken him to that local County versus going to the federal holding facility there were people that were stationary waiting for us to get to that point in order to affect a basically a hit on us as we were transporting damn so how was he setting this up with his uh did he have his cell phone on him back there he just had an airpod and his right here yeah and during that stop I’m not going to say it was controlled the best way it wasn’t my scene so I had no say so in it yeah but they allowed the basically in this case codefendants to talk to him uh they gave him a cigarette all that other stuff and during all of this somebody relayed where he was being transported to and he had set up a hit pretty close to the actual jail facility in order to free him from the rear seit of that car dude that’s that’s sketchy that’s effed up which during the entire stop like every question we had so his fake identity he was on the phone with somebody and he was like Hey make this and they sent a picture of the ID that he had made the uh name date of birth address and all that that he made so it was pretty on the Fly operation yeah that’s slick dude that’s sketchy send a send a rental agreement for this car even though it’s stolen wow and then you you you got to be thinking like it makes you second guess yourself cuz you’re not expecting someone to to be able to like have people on the other end of his phone that are uh this capable yeah it’s the first and hopefully only time in my career that I’ve seen something at that magnitude actually occur damn man yeah the freaking technology is like it’s so useful but it’s such a pain in the eye I’ve had people um uh all of a sudden I hear like another voice in the back of the car with an arrestd in the back and they’re like you know they’re speaking to their you know husband wife whatever Mom Dad and I’m like because they had their cell phone in their back pocket and I usually just leave it there because um I want them to have it because people don’t remember phone numbers anymore and I want them to I want them to call somebody so they can get bailed basically but they have the phone and then if they’re flexible even if they’re behind the back they can reach around and start calling people so I start hearing these other voices in the back of my frakin Cruisers now I just take their phones and keep them upfront with me because it’s like it’s ridiculous that’s that’s been my policy uh before especially now but the fact that like you can literally some of these airpods you can touch uh whatever else to transfer calls or to answer calls yeah I mean that’s basically what he was doing just having people call him and clicking over and yeah go ahead and do this or yeah we’re gonna do this here yeah yeah dude I had um when I was in investigating Insurance fla fraud I I met up with a guy in Bakersfield California which is like a very sketchy and high crime city in his backyard his name was uh Speedy was his nickname he’s this Mexican guy and um like you know gangster the whole deal so we’re in the back backyard the whole time he has a Bluetooth in and he’s like while I’m interviewing him he’s like pausing and like staring at me and then saying things and I’m like what’s up with that Bluetooth in your ear he’s like oh yeah it’s nothing man I’m like I think you’re on the phone with somebody I’m like take that out of your ear and he’s like no man it’s cool I’m like I’m not going to be able to continue the interview unless you take it out so we takes it out and then he goes I need to go I need some uh I need some water do you want something to drink in my head I’m like oh hell no I’m not you’re not giving me anything no thanks so he leaves for like 20 minutes dude comes back with a big one of those old like restaurant um like red um plastic cups with ice in it and he’s breaking the up with this giant blade and just being all nonchalant I’m like all right now the guy’s trying to intimidate me whatever so I finish the interview I go out to the street and um the front right tire of my car uh has a puncture in the sidewall and he he’s following me he’s like hey bro hey man hey pull into my garage man I’ll hook you up I’ll change your tires come into my garage and I’m like I got to get out of here here so I drove like on my rim like a like a half a mile to a gas station he’s yelling on the side like come back man I’m going to help you up I’m I’m gonna hook you up I’m like hell no man I just freaking took off but yeah he had that earpiece in the whole time and he was he was not the main target of the fraud it was his daughter so I think she was on the phone giving him information so their stories matched up you know what I mean but I didn’t catch on away until I saw like when he turned his head and I could see like the blue light like kind of like you’re on the phone type of thing um yeah sketchy as hell though man there’s so much there’s so much annoying craic that we have to look out for now I hate it yeah technology is definitely compromised or compromised placing a good bit yeah it’s freaking annoying I also hate being recorded when they start recording you it’s like right we had a a warrant uh another officer I backed up had a a warrant stop like M vehicle sub guy a warrant is like you know his his mouy girlfriend was you know videoing the whole thing calling us racist and all this other stuff and there’s there’s like two kids in the back they’re like five and six years old and they are just swearing up a storm videotaping us refusing to get out of the car it’s so fraking annoying brother yeah so I got used to it it’s it’s just something that I guess we have to adapt to now are you are you because are you policing in a like a primarily black area or is it like a good mix so you got you got your areas and everywhere uh presently the area that I’m working in my county is primarily Black and Hispanic just because it’s a cheaper area in the county they bust your chops uh for being the white boy not really I mean so when we get to uh your positive or heartwarming you’ll understand but generally like I’ve been there so I know how to talk to people I know I’ve been in situations that I’m getting CAU to so at that point generally I’m not Mr straight lace white cop I’m just another person talking to them just like somebody they talk to at the corner so they’re not hit you up with your racist thing like right away not always I mean it happens and at that point I’m like hey this is where I come from this is what I know uh you can call me whatever you want to call me but I mean laws of law that doesn’t mean that doesn’t mean that that’s the truth right that might be your truth but that’s not the I think they just know it’s like I think they hope it makes us back off because it’s like no one wants that’s like the nastiest thing you can call somebody as racist you know no none of us want to be called a racist it’s like the it’s the card but it it um when you do it all the time it kind of wears off you know what I mean it’s kind of like yeah okay we’re going to do this and then we’ll we’ll get down to business all right I got you um so Tyler like you said can you tell us uh a positive or heartwarming encounter so I can’t tell you a positive or or heartwarming encounter that I’ve encountered specifically just because generally like on patrol you’re not going to get to see the ending of what you initiate I’ve always tried to be or treat people with the same respect that I would expect my family to be treated with I always try to do the best job as far as even if it’s just a report for domestic violence or whatever else it may be just because that little report can get somebody out of a bad situation but I can tell you that as a child I was involved in a lot of less than legal activities and I was able to see examples of good police officers that were at least able to influence the decisions I made in the future and eventually becoming a poli offs for myself I know that’s a little bit different than any other guest has done but I would say that the positive or heartwarming encounter that I have is the fact that law enforcement influenced me to become a better person so that I could be a better person in law enforcement so your interactions with cops didn’t make you hate cops not at all gotta I mean there’s there’s so the individual that helped me get my first police job was a cop and it’s somebody that knew me from being a child and seeing the stuff that I came from and allowed me to be a better person and better affect the population by understanding where they’re coming from gotcha well that’s great man that’s I’ve actually heard that before like we’ve had some um cups on that weren’t you know perfect angels and it’s a it’s a it’s good to have perspective especially especially when you’re dealing with youth you know what I mean to not to think that they’re all you know if so if a if a kid’s into trouble as a as a juvenile it doesn’t mean they’re a lost cause you know people there’s all kinds of stages in life like you’re not this you know I’m not the same person I was when I was in my early 20s or when I was 30 now I’m 44 you know what I mean we kind of like uh if things are going right we kind of evolve we kind of change the person that we are kind of changes as we grow yeah I mean that’s the thing is not necessarily anything on my part it’s just so I’m sure that you’re aware and there stereotyp about it uh Mississippi is not a very wealthy or educated area so generally you do what your parents do so I mean if your parents are law biding citizens that you know work 9 to5 and try to make things happen that’s generally what you’re going to do if your parents are Petty criminals you you learn that way and continue in that way until you become something different uh oh yeah let me know what did your parents do so my mother is a nurse and has always tried to be a positive influence my father on the other hand was a uh not very law-abiding citizen uh a lot of the people that have been around me U either be direct family or just kind of family by marriage have been anti police anti this because they’re doing something wrong and so I grew up in the oh it’s the cops we need to get away or oh if you see a cop turn around and go the other way but by seeing a positive influence in it I knew that you know policing is not a it’s not an evil it’s just a different it’s a necessary and important part of culture yeah yeah absolutely so there’s a lot of listeners out there who are um young people looking looking to become police officers or they’re in backgrounds or um they’re they’re interested um in hearing someone with your experience uh what you would give them for advice getting into the field same thing so man and you talked a little bit before but uh I spent some time at the State Police Academy as an instructor and it’s the same thing I’ll tell or would tell Cadets on their first day it’s a tough job you’re going to work long hours you’re going to do a job that at this point in life nobody really respects or understands and you’re going to absorb the trauma from all the instance you go to my best and I guess only guidance to them is to one be sure that this is something they want to do and if it is something they want to do to put their all in it don’t do a halfway job do a full job and ensure that you know future Generations can see a positive influence from them but lastly just to take care of yourself mentally physically and emotionally because like I said you do take a little bit of each colge you go on to I mean none of us are inhuman so you go to a horrible call involving a juvenile or a horrible call involving some type of violence you’re going to absorb a little bit of that from that instant even though you’re not directly or emotionally involved you’re still going to see and understand that like I mean human life is privity and in our job we encounter a lot of it I mean we we encounter people like I said earlier on their worst days at the one time that they don’t want to talk to us nine times out of 10 I mean it’s very rare that we get a call and somebody just wants to do something nice or right whatever that may be so I mean just take care of yourself as far as initially and then continuing on I mean if that’s talking to a buddy talking to a therapist whatever you see that would actually help you I mean and I’ve heard it a lot on this podcast don’t just be cops with friend or don’t be just friends with cops yeah get other experiences because this life gets pretty old if that’s all you ever do absolutely yeah great advice man Tyler thank you so much for coming on the show brother it’s honor to have you absolutely sorry for the the issues and the the wonderful angle we have here but don’t worry about it man people people love it love a little uh little problem to pop up um let me see here I was prepared but not that 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