McDonald’s Shootout, Anit-Hero Podcast, Return to Christ

This is Things Police See, firsthand accounts with your host Steve Gold. Welcome to the podcast that interviews act and retired police officers about their most intense, bizarre, and sometimes humorous moments on the job. It is I, Old Gingerface, here with you as always, guys. Thank you for being here. Um, as you heard in the last episode, I had um I had that vacation. I had a full week back to work to get back into my um eating routine and I’ve uh my swelling has gone down. Don’t worry, my uniform is fitting. Okay. But I I know what you guys uh I know you guys know how it feels to go on vacation and then have to um squeeze back into your your your tailored uniforms. It’s it’s brutal. I would wear um and even now the uniforms now are more like pajamas. Like there’s like cargo pants, outer carriers, uh it’s all pretty comfy, but still uh when you eat like I eat, it’s uh it’s no help. No help at all. So, thank you for joining us. Thank you for being here. Thank you for all the rating and reviewing. Thank you for everybody who’s binge listening to the podcast. I truly appreciate that. I appreciate you. Um this is this is the podcast where you’ll hear the men and women men and women of law enforcement come on and tell their tell their stories real life, unedited. um how they live them so you can gain a better appreciation for what it is that the men and women do out there protecting us. So, thank you for checking it out. Today’s guest, very excited to have him. He um really really cool story. He he is a co-host of a super popular podcast, the Anti-Hero Podcast. I saw them when they started and kind of have a meteor meteorotic uh meteorite like uh propulsion in the podcast world. They’re really um they’re really killing it. He’s got a host um on there with him as formal former special forces. He actually just retired from uh from police work. He did nine years in Central Florida as a as a deputy sheriff. And uh very excited to have him. Without further ado, let me bring on the great Tyler Hoover. Tyler, what’s up, man? I’m gonna call my next podcast the meteorotic. Yes. Uh, trajectory. I was like, man, did he just make up two words in a row? That was awesome. Yeah, I do it all the time. It’s easy, man. You just make I do, too. You just put them out there. Yeah. Sometimes people call me out on it, but Yeah. I don’t have any kind of live thing going on, so no one calls me out except an email and then it’s too late. Um, yeah, man. Like we were saying right before we started recording, dude, the the the podcast is is great and you guys are It’s funny because you um I don’t know if you’re anything like me, but when you see a p new podcast in our genre start and you see it’s a couple guys or three guys and I always start to get the cringies a little bit before I look at it because I’m like, you’re hoping they’re not starting the podcast and thinking they have this like um this banter they thought would be uh so enjoyable for everybody else, you know, like, “Hey, we’re funny. We should record it type of thing. Um, we should start a podcast.” Yeah. Yeah. We should record this podcast for all times, like because we’re so hilarious. Um, but your your podcast truly is is well done. Like you guys have um clearly you have a huge following and the uh the conversations and the banter you guys have is um it’s great, man. It’s it’s super fun to listen to. So, my hats off to you, brother. It’s not easy to do. I think it’s easy to start a podcast, but it’s not easy to be successful at it. And you guys have really really done that with your meteorotic um rise in the podcast world. So, what what do you think between you and Brent Tucker is your your co-host, Delta Forest, Green Beret Guy? Um it’s kind of the perfect amalgamation of of police and and military together. What do you think it was that that kind of hit a nerve with people to to start podcasting? Yeah, just to just to to get that kind of success. Um that’s um okay. So to get the success was um I had plateaued around episode 35. Um I was it was just all stagnant and I I was running out of f I wanted a buddy podcast. I didn’t want to do like a because one of the things I realized is like when you interview people that if you make regular people try and sound like extra extraordinary people Yeah. or extraordinary people I guess that see there’s me in my words too. Um it just doesn’t resonate with a as many people as if you just made a buddy podcast. like I don’t have if you if it’s like you said man when two people are actually funny. It’s you don’t really care who they are. And uh so I I was um I had my friends on and off and I had and I was interviewing people that I thought were worthy, you know, but I was like my my next thing is I need a co-host. That’s what the anti-hero podcast needs. And I went and looked at all these episodes and all of them I had had Brent on as a guest for like three three or four episodes and they all did so well and it’s because um Delta Force sells just like Navy Seal. You put that on a thumbnail, it’s going through the roof. So I didn’t I didn’t even know that was real. I I remember Chuck Norris had a Delta Force movie and then when I got older I was like, “Oh, Delta Force is is real. Those are real badasses.” So, I had um he Andy only lived 15 minutes away from me. So, I I made a giant proposal. I brought it to him and uh he would I spent a lot of time on that proposal. We joke about it because he opened it and I was talking. I was briefing him as he was and he closed it and goes, “Sure, I’ll do it.” And I was like, “You don’t want to look at all the analytics and stuff that I copy and pasted like a knuckle dragger to prove to you that this is going to be a success?” He’s like, “No, man. Let’s do it. Let’s rock and roll.” I was like, “Sweet.” So, he at that time had just recorded the Rob O’Neal episode, which is where if you go back to episode I want to say 34 or 35, maybe 36. Um, there’s it’s called Delta Force and Cigars and it’s a part one and part two. So, it’s like 35 and 36 or are the were recorded at the same time. And that was his second appearance. So, third second and third episode, but second appearance overall on my podcast. And so, and he had just casually nonchalant said, I mean, everybody knows Robin didn’t kill Osama bin Laden. And I was like, wait, what? Cuz I didn’t know that. He goes, yeah. And I, so I made a clip of that and it hit a million views on every single social media platform and everybody was like, apparently the rest of the world also was like me and didn’t know. So, um, he was like, I have to do a rebuttal. I have to do a whole another episode on why Rob O’Neal is lying. So, we did a threehour breakdown of Rob O’Neal, and that is what launched us to the moon. So, it was a mixture of getting a Delta Force co-host. You know, Brent has a lot of life experience. He has a lot of contacts. He has a lot of, you know, clout that he earned as tier one guy. He’s in the inner circle. Yeah. mixed with my hard work and the thing I already built. It was the perfect combination for success. It really was. I I I everybody’s like, “Oh, how’d you do it?” Like, that was God, you know, little bit of hard work, you know, make meets opportunity. I guess that’s how that that’s what they always say, you know, God’s got to put those two together. So, um, and then, yeah, after the Rob O’Neal, that was episode 37, and we started our rebrand at episode 40. That was what you see now at one I think we put out 133 today. Episode 40 is where you s that started. Okay. All right. Cool. Yeah, that’s awesome, man. Good idea. Yeah, I um I fly solo like most of the time on I live out in the sticks in Western Mass, so like I really feel like if you have a co-host, it’s really it’s really better to have them in person, you know? Yeah. Um in the studio. It’s It’s cool to do it remotely, but um that that’s awesome, man. I like I said, I I was blown away by you guys and how you just kind of like pulled away from the pack. It was it was so cool to watch. And it’s so cool that you’re you have retired from your police job. That’s amazing, dude. That’s awesome. I had seen a clip on my dad was retired from the job and I got to watch I mean I did ride alongs from 2000 to like 2006 with him from when I was in seventh grade to a senior and he wasn’t cynical but as any cop you know he’s like hey don’t do this it’s not like and he kind of showed me like hey the like I learned in real time they’ll tell you every day the job is not your life y the job will turn on you at the any moment and all all the cliche things he told me. So I got into the job knowing all those things. My dad did the same thing and I was like, “Hey, I need to have every like for the first time in my career around seven years in things like were not working out for me in law enforcement. I I everything was like I wasn’t getting things I deserved.” And I’m not saying like I’m saying like I busted my ass and politics were getting in the way of or people just not liking me were like in the way of me getting a gig. So I was like you know what I just it you know as soon I started the podcast. I was like I it’s only a matter of time. I’m going to keep driving and driving. And I saw a Joe Rogan clip once where he’s like hey you can change your career at any time. Never think you can’t, but it’s going to be an X amount of time of working double before you can make that jump because you can’t just not take a paycheck anymore. So, you either got to go get another job on top of the job you already have or you got to go to school on top of the job you already have to get qualified for the job you want, right? Single mothers do it all the [ _ ] time. So, cop can do it if they really wanted to do it. Yeah, that that’s a great point. Uh, absolutely, man. Well, congrats on that, brother. Uh, I love it. Can we can we go back way back to um young patrolman Hoover first started the job? What’s the first call you took that um you know, at the time you considered a hot call? It kind of got your adrenaline going. Oh man. Um, my first call ever, I remember my first call ever, and it wasn’t a hot call. So, I’m going to give you a twofer for this one because I’ll make it quick. It was a DV call and um and I went and I’m talking to the dude. He’s pissed off. My partner is a female outside talking to the female half. It’s your standard DV. And I and you know I’m I’m puffing up. You know, I just done seven months worth of training. I know what I’m doing. And he goes, “You know what? [ _ ] this man. I’m going I’m going to my room.” I go, “No, you’re not, sir.” And he goes, “The [ _ ] you telling me I am?” And started walking towards his room. Well, we’ve just watched 80,000 videos in the last seven months of cops getting shot at domestics because people went and got guns. So, right, I like panicked and I was like, “Oh, it’s the most embarrassing thing ever, dude.” I got on the radio and said, “Can you get in here?” That’s all I can get out and my voice cracked. So, I was like, “Can you get in here?” And it was like everybody like it was one of those radio traffic things where everyone flipped a UI and went because of what I said, right? It was like your tone of voice like your your level of worry was so strong that everybody on shift was coming to me because instead of going, yo, Tracy, can you come in here real quick? Or, you know, 340 alpha, come inside real quick. You know, I’m going to follow this guy. We’re probably gonna fight. Right. That that was my first like I thought in my head he was coming out with a gun to kill me. Yeah. That was my first call ever. Um my first hot call was a shooting. I uh I went from one agency to another. Um there was no hood in the first agency. I went to a bigger city where there’s a hood and there was an extended stay motel that we were at all night long every night. Yep. And um there was a shooting there and me and my FTO at the time because I say hot call like the first agency I worked at for almost three years I never really had a hot call. There was some calls that I was like third or fourth to, but I was never like this was a shooting and I pulled up with my FTO and I had prior, but I pulled up with my field training officer and there was a guy laying in the parking lot and there was [ _ ] everywhere and the only thing that I could think to do was I started pulling security like this because I, you know, I’m from the army, you know, I deployed to Baghdad like big crowds like that like and it was just around the time we were starting to be a little bit more courteous to the guys that you know even though we didn’t shoot this guy I was like [ _ ] this like in my mind I was like we’ll get to him we can get to him it’s just me and my FTO and he gloved up first so I was like boom and there was some kind of like you know some and at cop work you’ll have five people tell you one thing and five people tell you the other what you did wrong or you did right and some people were criticizing me of you know not caring that he Yeah, I just was so like there’s so many people. Someone’s going to shoot us. There was like 50 people out in the balconies or all over the parking lot and like he just got shot and we don’t know who shot him and it was one minute ago. So this there statistically speaking there’s someone in our vicinity with a gun that is willing to pull the trigger. So that you know that was my first hot call and I just remember like there was so many people and that was just a regular day in the hood for them. Yeah. They’re all looking at you. That’s nuts, man. That’s great. How How did um were you were you on FTO still then or were you uh on your own? No, I was in FTO then. I was in phase two. Like I said, I had prior so but I only had to do a couple phases as opposed to the whole FTO. But yeah, I was with my buddy Griffin on that one. What was your grade on that? Did he find it to be okay? Your reaction? He thought it was I think he he he was okay with my decision- making because I said, you know, in cop work, you’re just kind of looking in SWAT and anything. You’re looking for why did you do something? If you’re confident in why you did something, I’m good. I just can’t have you going, I don’t know. Like, and I go, you gloved up and you had your back turned to 50 people. I was like, I don’t know. That’s that that’s what my gut told me to do. He’s like, I’m good with it. So, nice. So, you were you got the clear. You didn’t get chewed out or anything. No, no, no. Excellent. And I had enough. I got a big mouth. So I consider everything like prison. If you go somewhere new, the first [ _ ] that talks sideways to you, you let them know they can’t do anymore, whether it’s respectfully or not. So, and I had prior. So, you know, as a new guy, when you go to a new agency and they don’t really, some people really value it that you came from prior and then some people do not give a [ _ ] and they will talk to you like you are a brand new boot. And I I just like I said, sometimes it’s politely or sometimes it’s not so politely. I tell [ _ ] like I don’t I’ll look around and go I’ll go like this and they’re like, “What?” I’m like, “I know you’re not talking to me like that.” So, I’m trying to find the [ _ ] that you think you’re talking to. You know, I I have a buddy that came up. He he transferred into a different uh department and they had the um old school boot to boot type thing. Like they didn’t care where you worked. This is our way. And they treated him like um like at one point he said they uh in the in the cell block they were like um they called him a [ _ ] for not uh he had already he patted him down when they got to the booking room. Then he didn’t then they asked him did you know did you pat him down again before you put him in the cell and he was like no and they called him a [ _ ] and he was like where the hell am I dude? I’m like a trained certified cop and uh you guys are treating me like I’m like I’m an idiot. and he didn’t stay there. He he he got through the training and he got signed off on and then he you know some guys if you do that to him, they’ll they’ll keep their head down and keep going. But as soon as the next opportunity comes, they’re going to be like, “See you later, dude. I don’t like that. Don’t treat me like dirt.” You know, I you didn’t pay for my academy. I’m not a boot. Like what the hell are you doing? Yeah. I mean, exactly. They, you know, and the mindset is, you know, they’re l right now. It depends on what when you join. right now they’re lucky to have you. You actually I mean they’ll never admit it and you don’t have any levage really but if you look at it any agency right now in America is lucky to have you. Back during the the crisis the first housing market crisis in 2007 is when our generation or the generation above us kind of saw the benefit of having a government job. So for years for like 10 years you were lucky to have them right? You know, now the the economy is different. And also the [ _ ] since 2016, everybody says 2020, George Floyd, but it’s it was way before then. There’s just been a war on cops, an ideology that that that the deep state has won to destroy the the trust uh and partnership between the community and law enforcement. So, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, look at it now. There’s like, you know, around here where I’m at, these are small agencies offering $10,000 sign bonuses. If you go to the west coast to like a medium-sized city, some of them will give you 50k to join their you remember people like begging to be cops, getting on a list going going to take a test with 500 other people, especially in the Northeast like where you’re from, man. All up there, you know, people would be like, “Oh, yeah, man. I took the test. I just I’ve been waiting two years for this.” Like, holy guacamole, dude. Yeah. Yeah. Like to be a be a mass state trooper, they used to like use like the Boston Garden to do the test. It was like, and when you’re in line, they’d have troopers come screaming at you. Yeah. Before you take the test. And now they’re like, “Oh, well, hey, you know, we’re um there’s, you know, how about 10K to come on.” So, like I work for a smaller agency now. And it’s like it’s a nightmare because if we hire, we have two guys in academy now. If we hire guys and send them to academy and then we make them sign a contract to stay for three years. If the town next door is offering 10 G’s, they’ll just break the contract, pay it off with the 10 grand or half the 10 grand and then they’re, you know, it’s like a it’s a double-edged sword because it it’s better for us, especially during negotiations where it’s like, hey, you got to pay us. But on the other hand, um, asses in the seats is is harder to do, too. It’s harder to get people because they they’re candidates are calling the shots like they’re they got the leverage big time. Yeah. Y unfortunately police agencies are typically run by people that are bad at running any type of business or agency. So, you know, uh, when they say like, “Hey, when all boots on ground go,” the guys next door offering this, we need to offer this, too. And they say, “No, we’re not going to do that.” Like, okay. Well, then, and you know what’s funny is they don’t suffer, we suffer. The boots on ground suffers when there no other [ _ ] boots to [ _ ] share zones with, you know? Right. Yeah. It’s like that old pollster they used to put up that, you know, their uh morale uh or beatings will continue until morale improves, you know, that type of thing. They don’t notice until it’s a crisis cuz they’re not getting ordered to cover shifts. They’re they’re they’re working a nineto-ive salary job. So, and they’re so out of touch because the way government works is that nobody wants to tell the person above them, especially in an appointed position, that things are bad. So, you’re going to have your lieutenants telling your captains, “Everything’s good. Everything’s good, sir.” And your captains are going to go, “Cool.” And even if the captains know, they’re going to go to the major and go, “Everything’s good in my zone, sir.” And okay, the major now gets to report that his division is doing the best. And even though he knows, oh, it’s a [ _ ] show, he’s not going to go to the under chief or chief deputy and go, hey, patrol’s all [ _ ] up right now. Because guess what they’re going to do? They’re going to go, well then I’ll get somebody that can do it. You know, it’s it’s go anybody that wants to be a cop, go watch The Wire first. That is the that is the show. It’s not. There’s great cop shows everywhere, but if you want to know how law enforcement works, go watch The Wire. Yeah, totally. It’s kind of like the uh the Asian pilots or the Chinese pilots where they they started making the first officer fly so the the captain could correct him because if if the captain was flying and doing something wrong, the first officer would never speak up. He would just let the plane crash because it it’s dishonorable to correct the captain. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. I don’t want to say anything, but we’re about to hit a mountain. Yeah. I mean, and you I mean, it’s an an it’s an analogy, but it’s an analogy. Like, it’s true. Like, you know, hey, the the agency’s going to [ _ ] and you got guys telling you, right, what’s wrong with it, and you’re not doing anything about it. So, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Is what it is. Um, Tyler, can you tell us about the strangest or most bizarre thing you dealt with on the job? Dude, it is the most bizarre thing I’ve ever seen in my life. It is Florida. Yeah. Well, so, okay, in law enforcement, it’s front row tickets to the best show on earth. You are exposed to a lot more than the average person. So, stranger things are going to happen to you. And um one area I worked for a long time had a very uh like uh heavy a um Asian heavy Haitian population. Um, so and if you guys don’t know, just like white people, Haitians also deal in the devil and they deal in all the [ _ ] voodoo and not not all Haitians, not even most of them, but just like in Christianity, there’s people that, you know, are into white people witchcraft and all these things and the occult, they do that in other ethnicities, too. So, I go I respond, the call notes I read were like, “No way.” And I’m not going to tell you the call notes because it’s I don’t want to ruin the story, but I read the call notes. I’m like, “What the fuck?” And I show up and at each it’s a it’s a stop sign intersection in the hood kind of like not so much the hood is in violent, but it’s in it’s in the ghetto. A four-way stop sign. Two two roads. At each corner of the intersection was a bird without a head. A pigeon. I think I think they were pigeons. Decapitated pigeons kind of ritual. Yeah. And I’m like, “The fuck?” At the time, I wasn’t a religious person, so I didn’t beat feet out of there. I sat there and tried to figure out what the hell’s going on. And there was nothing. There was nothing the police could do. Animal control is not coming out. They’re dead. They’re dead. They’re not in the road. They’re not causing an issue. It’s not a law enforcement issue. It’s weird as hell, right? But it’s not a crime that that Well, it probably was a crime to do it, but as of right now, you know, you have an animal cruelty animal cruelty misdemeanor a foot. Like, no one’s no one cares. So, uh, that was by far the weirdest [ _ ] call I’ve ever been on. Still still [ _ ] me to this day. I’m like, you know, and then somebody did tell me that’s that’s voodoo witchcraft right there, right in the middle of, you know, somebody was putting a hex on someone else and hopefully it wasn’t me. Yeah, man. I’d be I’d be crossing myself and saying my prayers. Keep that away from me. Hell no. That’s nuts, dude. That That is a um I recently um Have you ever like read about the the s the um film Witch Trials and all that stuff with the Yeah. the lady. Yeah. Like the um I don’t know if she was Haitian, but there was a woman involved that was from I think it was Haiti or somewhere else. And I don’t know if she was a slave or if she was just like indentured or whatever, but um that that voodoo stuff freaks me out. And it really freaks me out how um like just on like just like scrolling online like it’s like that’s like real white lady stuff now. Like the like being a witch and like doing spells and casting love spells on someone that you want. Like that’s that’s a that’s a thing. It’s it’s really kind of exploded in our culture. It makes me sick. If anybody is not religious at all, but kind of let’s not say rel let’s say you’re religious. You know that God exists, but you’re just not practicing. You’re not devout kind of agnostic or something. Yeah. Whatever whatever religion you are, go start researching the spiritual war that’s happening right now on Earth. And it’s it’s as simple as it it’s always been. the devil and God are letting you pick essentially with it. They’re they’re influencing indirectly as best they can. So, I mean, I know we’re getting off on a tangent. Has nothing to do with law enforcement, but I mean, yeah, couple years ago, I I found Christ again. And Oh, God bless you. You know, it sucks because most of everything that’s awesome is sinful. It really is. Gluttony, you know, you name it. sex the outside of wedlock like I mean everything that people you know like to do like look at getting drunk spirits spirits they call booze spirits for a [ _ ] reason they’re you know and it’s just it you know it’s hard now like everything’s the occult [ _ ] yoga is the occult astrology is the cult like everything’s the occult and you’re like god man it’s so annoying but it’s true someone that explains it to you you’re like oh [ _ ] okay you know it’s not Christ. So, right. Yeah. I mean, I know that that the yoga thing is too is like um you’re doing these poses and there’s really no way I mean a lot of the yoga sessions aren’t like a condundalini yoga where they’re like talking about the philosophy and the and the gods and stuff, but you’re still doing the poses that are like the invitational poses. Yeah. Yeah. Like say dedication to a spirit. And I I don’t know. it I get annoyed with it too, but it’s like it does um my wife and I the same thing. We we um kind of the scales fell off our eyes um seven, eight years ago and we um we came to Christ and uh it really, you know, the nice thing about it is it really makes the world make sense because it’s really confusing if you don’t understand good and evil because everything is relativism. You know what I Because you can relativism yourself into like there’s people who who use relativity to say that well you know Satan not that bad. He was he was an angel. He just had a disagreement with God and he fell. Yeah. And he was the angel of light. So they’re like you can you can hear these modern arguments about it and you and if you don’t have a basis if you’re not saved, you can you can look at them and go and use your human reason and go, “Yeah, yeah. Okay. Well, yeah. Yeah, it’s not hard. Have you ever wanted to justify someone because they were cool, but you know they were an awful person? Yeah, of course. And that person probably wasn’t even a master manipulator. And then there’s humans that are master manipulators and you one day you just see it and you’re like, “Oh my god, you’re an awful person.” Yeah, that’s a human. Imagine what the devil can do. Yeah. As long as you let him. As long as you let him. Absolutely. He’s probably the coolest dude in every room. anytime he appears on Earth, he is probably the coolest, savvy dude. And like, God, man, that guy’s awesome, dude. He’s a partyier. He’s a nice guy. Yeah. He’s 10 10 times smarter than us. He knows the Bible better than us. He knows God better than us. He and he’s, like you’re saying, he’s not going to he’s not going to have horns and hooves. He’s probably the best looking guy around and he’s charismatic as hell. He just knows how to separate you from God and he’ll use tactics like that. So, it’s like all this stuff is very pervasive where it’s like it’s a very soft entry where you’re like, “Ah, that’s not so bad.” And then before you know it, you’re you’re you’re casting doubts in your Christian belief. You know what I mean? That’s kind of the way it goes. Proforce law enforcement, the best damn cop shop in the nation. Whether you’re purchasing for an Pro Force Law Enforcement, the best damn cop shop in the nation. Whether you’re purchasing for an entire agency or you’re an individual officer looking to buy firearms or duty gear, these guys are the best in the biz. Proforce has law enforcement exclusive pricing and is the place to be buying your guns and duty gear. They carry all the top industry brands and the guys and gals that work there understand exactly what law enforcement officers need. special discount link tps.proforsonline.com. Um it’s uh deeply discounted items just for listeners of this show or you can go to proforceline.com and shop the whole place. Place is unbelievable. You can also visit Prescott, Arizona in person or Brea, California in person to get hands-on with the gear. All the context stuff is in the show notes. Thank you, ProForce, brother. And I and I noticed that like Christianity’s I mean it sounds bad but it’s on a comeback. Um and and that’s kind of why I started counterculture was because you know people aren’t afraid to say I’m a Christ follower now. Um right women aren’t afraid to go I don’t think being a [ _ ] is cool. I I think you know honoring your husband in a marriage under God and submitting to him is cool. Like that’s what I I wish people would have preached to me when I was a young girl. That that’s what I should have been focusing on and trying to find my entire life. And you know, guys guys aren’t perfect, man. I think the best Christians are ones that find Christ later in life. You know, whether it be in a prison cell or, you know, scave by a couple things and like, damn, dude, I’m a lucky [ _ ] And yeah, those you know, people that have had Christ in their life their whole life, sometimes they’re not the best person. I’m not saying their intentions are bad, but they’re just not the best person because they’ve always been like, “I’m Christian, so I can be a piece of shit.” Yeah, I know what you’re saying there. Yeah, it is. Um, it it the the hookup culture and all that is like I can remember that cuz I was, you know, I went through high school in the late 90s, mid late 90s. And I remember dating and it was like this um this huge push for feminism and and women independence and women uh behaving like men. And I remember dating women and being like um like basically like they’ve been run through. They’ve they’ve been with like 15 20 people. We’re in our early 20s and thinking in the back of my mind like no like and it sucked cuz you feel awful for that girl and you’re like she could be the best girl ever. But I mean that is a [ _ ] worn out lock right there. It’s just not it’s it’s you knew in your heart that and and for men too like dudes that were like you know manhoring out there, you know, it’s just it’s not you knew in your heart that something was off, but you were forced through the culture to be like, “Oh, good for you. You’re you know, you’re independent and you’re you’re sleeping around, but it’s like well I mean as as men, you know, we I we don’t we don’t suffer from the same thing females suffer from as far as when you’re a [ _ ] right? Like a man can be a man [ _ ] It really ain’t gonna follow him around anywhere. Women will know to stay away from them, but it a guys will high five them. Women do that. It’ll ruin their life. And so, and that was always like I always thought that was interesting. You know, I I’ll call a spade a spade. But when you look at it deeper, as men, as a as a culture and as a race or a sex, not a race, sorry. Uh we’ve allowed women to become what they are by using them as sex objects. So yeah, all the dudes that you knew that slept with like 60 chicks by the time he was 25, he used 60 women and now those women are more prone to being used again and again and again. Right now imagine if a million men did that. That’s 60 million women that are now in that mindset. And so we as men We are the dominant ones. We are the decision makers. We are the shot callers. But we have to take an accountability that we did that. Yeah. Yeah. Like they said, we’re we’re we’re accountable to Christ. You know, we’re supposed to treat our wife like the church. We’re supposed to protect her, die for her if needed, protect her. We’re not supposed to be doing this stuff at all. And you’re right, it’s there’s there’s ripples in the pond from that. So, it’s, you know, anyways, like you said, there is a resurgence. And um I love to see it. You know, I love to I I I try to invite people to our church as as much as I can. And there there is a lot more interest in it. People they feel the emptiness of the world and all these other things that aren’t Christian that that aren’t ancient. You know what I mean? They’re they’re they’re kind of coming back to it and it’s it’s a beautiful thing, Tyler. I I I love to see it. Absolutely. Yeah. It’s a beautiful thing, but it also could mean this mortal world might expire before we [ _ ] expire. You know, like I’m sure every generation and every century has been like, “Here it comes.” But and and I thought sometimes I’m like, “Maybe that’s just what getting old feels like. You’re like, dude, the world is about to end. This is it. Jesus is coming back.” And that’s just how you feel as you get old because you lose faith in humanity. Dude, it is so true. Getting old is so weird, man. Like my daughter’s 15 and she’s trying to tell us like this is the best band. and she’s talking about a Korean like K-pop band. She’s like, “No, Dad. You’ll like it. Like, it’s really cool.” And she’s playing from like I’m like, “I absolutely hate it. I I don’t ever want to hear it again. I don’t want you to listen to in the house.” And she’s like she’s convinced. And to her credit, she also does like a lot of like 70s 80s stuff that she grew up with listening to because of my wife and I. But um yeah, it’s funny because I remember like playing stuff for my parents and being like, “Why don’t they recognize that Vanilla Ice is like the best lyricist that’s ever come across and my dad’s like, “It’s banned from the house.” Yeah. No. Yep. Same thing. Oh, it’s so funny, man. Tyler, can you tell us um about your uh most intense or terrifying call you went on? Uh yeah. Okay. So, I’ll try to sum it up. It’s kind of a long call. Um, I was sitting in our, you know, where we 56 the spot. It’s away from everything. We called it the, we called it Indie. It’s an industrial complex away from everybody. Safe. Behind us is a big pond, you know, where it’s a it’s a good place for zone cars to go chill. It was probably like midnight, I want to say, somewhere around there. And, uh, shots fire comes out at the McDonald’s about 2 minutes away. Not uncommon except it started coming out as we put it in drive. It started coming out as an active shooter. Uh people running out of McDonald’s, shots being fired. So me and my buddy are the first ones there. We see people running. We’re asking the questions. We’re asking the questions. They’re like, “Ah, we think we got” And then we got told he’s the only one in there. So we ask a couple people. Well, I mean, it sucks, too, cuz they’re I mean, when they’re 100 yards that way and you’re at the [ _ ] drive-thru door behind the speaker box that’s propped open, like the drive-through door is where we were going to make entry. Yeah. Um I talked to my buddy. We’re like, “Hey man, this is 101 stuff. If we hear another shot go off it, we’re we’re it’s going from barricade to active shooter.” Because at the time on scene, we never heard a [ _ ] shot. Dispatch heard shots, people heard shots, but they were saying nobody was inside and nobody was injured. multiple sources of intelligence or information. So, we made the call. Hey, this is a barricade like obviously get everyone here. Um, yeah. And then, um, so I’m at the door like, do you know that that door? It’s a regular door, but it’s it’s around the drive-thru where they they bring stuff out to the trash in any fast food restaurant. That’s where we were. We had that propped like metal door. And I’m like, statistically speaking, the next human being I see, I’m gonna [ _ ] smoke. like there’s just no, you know, I there’s nobody in there but somebody with a gun and we kept hearing him, but we could hear him talking. So like, what the [ _ ] is he talking to himself? Um, and so then everybody and their mother starts coming and I take up a position behind one of our marked F-150s with a long gun and I’m just staring and I have like one of the sides and uh I remember looking through the window and they got camera access and came to the conclusion that yes, this is a barricaded person. There’s nobody else inside. So they were able to make that determination through all the cameras. So well he is a she and she’s mentally ill and deranged and starts blasting through the [ _ ] across from behind the counter. She’s back where they [ _ ] serve McFlurries. Starts shooting across out of the restaurant into the street at cops. So then they open fire through through the drive-thru. But apparently that window is [ _ ] that that glass was making all the bullets go other ways. So, nobody was proof or something. I don’t know. But no one was struck in that volley, good or bad. And I remember like, okay, now she’s actively shooting. And there was times where I would see a hand or an elbow and I’m looking and I like come out and I’m like, if this person presents themsself in my line of sight, Yeah. with a with a firearm, I’m going to be taking this shot. And it’s it’s not that big of a deal. I was never in danger. They didn’t know I was there. And I was behind an F-150 [ _ ] V8 engine, right? The problem is is that that was just the most intense thing. It never stopped. And then we f and then the the call was made and I got relieved and got dressed and went into the Bearcat and then did that for a while and she ended up being mentally ill and we gassed her and she came out or they went and you know they had to gas the entire McDonald’s which was open two days later. That blew my mind, too. Wow. Mickey D’s doesn’t f around, dude. Yeah, man. Not in the hood. Anyway, so, you know, that that was my And I remember I remember thinking like I was supposed to be off at two. We didn’t get home till 5. And I remember thinking that’s that’s a cop right there. That’s a cop job. There’s no calling in sick because every [ _ ] just went through that. Yeah. You can’t have a you can’t have a mental health day the next day. And I remember I woke up, I got five hours, six hours sleep and I felt more hung over than I’ve ever felt in my life. I didn’t have a drop of alcohol. And it was because of the adrenaline dump. Yeah. You know, that whole all my cortisone levels that were already naturally high were spiked astronomically for a long period of time. My adrenaline was up for long. The dump my body just couldn’t take it, dude. I was like, uh, it was the worst day. Yeah, man. The next day was the worst day. Yeah, that um I I’ve had calls like that before when you’re like your heart is elevated for so long because it takes so long. You’re like I this is, you know, like you have time to think this is not good for me. Like I am hypervigilant. My heart is racing and it’s it’s not ending. Like this is just lasting and lasting and that’s what kills cops young. Yeah. And and just if you’re getting in the job, man, you have a shitty shift. If the whole shift endured it with you, guess what? everyone’s coming in. If that just happened to you, you could most likely take the next day off, especially if you if you play the mental health card. Yeah. You know, you you’ll be able to get the day off. But if the whole shift goes through something, who’s coming out? Nobody. It’s the only job for Well, I shouldn’t say, but probably first responders is the only job where everyone at work can have the worst day of their life and have two more shifts to do back toback the next two days. So yeah, I mean that’s mindful. Yeah, it’s it’s brutal. I mean I guess the best way to protect against that is being in shape and and doing some kind of um you know I don’t know being praying, meditating, whatever um or Christian meditation preferably. But yeah, I mean I remember I had a I had to stand up like that with a kid with scissors and his parents were involved and he kept coming towards us and backing away, coming towards us, backing away and we were there for like I don’t know half an hour and it was like my heart was pounding the whole time because it was like there’s lethal cover on him. There’s there’s taser cover on him and it’s like it just kept going. I’m like, “Oh my gosh, I am ramped up.” And so he I ended up getting cut from that um from the scissors from when we tackled him. So, I had to go to um see if I needed a tetanis shot at the hospital and they took my my blood pressure and this was like two hours later and they’re like, “Do you have bad blood pressure?” And I’m like, “No, I just had a physical. My blood pressure is great.” They’re like, “Yeah, you’re you’re off the charts.” I I felt fine. You know, you feel fine, but they said my um my blood pressure was That’s your new normal, bro. When you become a cop, man, your new normal is [ _ ] redlinining all the time, right? It’s freaking terrible, dude. It’s so bad for you. So, so bad. I remember writing I was on overnights for five years straight. I remember we had a bad domestic and I was writing reports and my heart was my pulse was like screwed up. I was like I felt fine but I was like I could feel my heart felt like it was stopping and I was so I started taking my pulse and it was like bump bump bump bump bump you know what I mean? Like it was my pulse wasn’t right and I was like that’s that ain’t right. So I it was actually just a couple weeks later I had my my physical and the the doctor told me he was like, “Yeah, you’re cuz they go through, you know, they work in emergency rooms and stuff and they do their their residency and he goes, “Oh yeah, my” He goes, “Do you drink a lot of coffee and stay up all night?” I’m like, “Yes.” He’s like, “Yeah, when I was in my residency, my heart rate was always screwed up.” He goes, “You’re just having um palpitations.” Uh he’s like, “That’s just that’s just the job you have.” He goes, “You’re just you’re just going to have palpitations. Your heart’s perfectly healthy. you’re just going to have to deal with it. Yeah. He goes, “You’re just going to have them.” And I go, “Well, is it bad for you?” He’s like, “Well, yeah, if you keep I mean, if you do this for a long time because it’s going to be bad.” And I remember that was the first time I think I was 30. The first time I thought like, “Oh, that’s screwed up, dude. I don’t want to shorten my life for doing this.” Yeah. Yeah. It is what it is, my man. Um, so Tyler, do you have a positive story you can tell us? positive call. Yeah. Um it was one of those calls where it could have been the worst call ever. Ended up being not by God, I’ve never had a a bad call reference a kid. I I’ve never experienced one and I’ve never I’ve never shot anybody either. So, um thank God. But same spot. We’re chilling in Indie. I’m telling you, that’s where we always were. And a call came out, baby not breathing. Um, so again, we were even closer this time. So we pull in and it’s one of those hood apartments where like everyone illegally parks. There’s no way an engine’s getting in there. Like not anytime soon. So, but it came out. The baby was breathing again. So, we were like, “Okay, well, we were already on scene because we went lights a siren like half a half a mile, right?” And I I’m like, “Well, we’re here. [ _ ] it. Let’s go. And I walk inside the front door. Now, in my mind, baby’s breathing. Kind of like, let’s do a check on well-being, make sure everything’s good, start doing logistics for the FD, you know, getting them in, right? And as soon as I I knock on the door, the door swings open and she puts the baby in my belly like a [ _ ] football and she’s screaming. Everybody in the house is screaming. So, apparently that information was inaccurate. The baby’s still not breathing. So I just I I had I had come down from it like anybody would tell you especially a fighter you cannot come down or you you know and I went right back up into it and so now I’m like the [ _ ] and I remember I had my partner and she was like go sit down and I sat down. I mean, there was literally no time to be like, “Hey, you” and I was like, “Okay.” And she kind of like helped me remember on a on a newborn. It I mean, it had to have been couple months at most how to do CPR on a newborn, you know? She was like, “Flip them on, you flip them in your hand, flip them on the back.” And she was like And she’s like, “Harder, harder.” And I’m like, you know, you’re naturally you’re like, “Damn, I’m going to [ _ ] crush this little baby.” Yeah. Yeah. And all of a sudden, I hear a splattering noise and crying. And what was lodged came up all over my boots. So, and you know, I got one of the highest medals you can get from my agency for that. We both did. So, you know, cuz I was like, “Hey, I couldn’t, you know,” and I went and I went back in service and I told my buddy James and he was like, “Are you okay?” I’m like, “Yeah.” And he’s like, “Are you?” and he and he went and put me in for the award because no one knew because my call note said baby’s breathing CPR conducted. Well, I mean my supervisor at the time wasn’t my biggest fan, but it’s really not on them. You know, it’s kind of like your peers to do stuff, put you in for stuff like that. But well, they could advocate for you if they were a good supervisor. So, we’re in a very busy area though, so supervisor typically don’t get a lot of time to research calls that are closed out medically, you know. Got you. So, but uh yeah, I got an award for that one. That was pretty cool. Yeah, that’s awesome, man. That is the biggest um that’s one of my biggest uh fears, those calls. I I hate those calls when kids are in trouble or they’re because the parents are always so so upset and um just don’t know what to do. Even even if they’re trained and stuff because it’s their kid, they don’t remember what to do, you know? Yeah. I mean, [ _ ] And you’re you’re a cop, man. You got CPR at best. I shouldn’t say at best. A lot of cops have trauma uh training, but like I mean, no, I feel you. Yeah, we have the basic, you know, you’re going to get there first. We have first responder training. That’s it. We got the lowest level. I believe me, when I see the EMTs or paramedics come through the door, I’m like happy to have them relieve me of my post, you know, and and take take over care. Damn, brother. Well, do you ever hear from that family at all? No, it does. Well, I mean, I I I call spade a spade. It’s the [ _ ] hood. They probably weren’t supporters of the police anyways, but right. We They’re like, “We know there’s one good cop.” He seemed, but now I never heard anything. Gotcha, man. Um, so all your years uh being a copper, heard some great stories from you. A lot of people who listen to the podcast um are like in backgrounds or are thinking about it. they hear they hear you guys uh tell your stories and it kind of motivates them to to go ahead and become a police officer. What advice would you give to a new recruit in this kind of tumultuous time we are in law enforcement? It is the coolest job you will ever have. But I tell everybody it needs to be treated like an enlistment rather than a career. So when you join the military, you join for give or take four years at a time. Your enlistment is four years. Most people don’t stay in. It’s not for most people. They got what they needed from it. They got their life experience. They got their college. They got, you know, whatever it is that they joined for. They did in four years, right? Most people don’t stay in the same thing go should go should apply in our culture in law enforcement as just go do it for a while you go to school while you you know just know you’re having fun but this might not be it because so many cops get caught up in I got another 15 years to go man and I’m like that [ _ ] sucks. You’re probably not going to live through that dude. you’re probably gonna eat your gun or you know that sounds bad. I’m sorry. That’s dark humor, everybody. You know, you get that. Yeah. Or or health problems. [ _ ] You watch guys retire and they die two years later. You know, it’s like, you know, so I I just that’s my advice. Have fun because it is a fun job. Around five years is where I’d say I’m not an analyst or a scholar but from my training experience five years is around people know when it’s not for them and it is for them and people at five years they have a great if if it’s for them that means their career is going great but they’re good cops and that’s good. Just know that at any day your career could take a wildly different turn and the agency will turn on you. There’s also the people that in five years love the job because they’re company men and they’re pieces of [ _ ] for human beings and they shouldn’t have a badge anyways. So they’re going to last by burning you and becoming a lieutenant than a captain and a major. So that’s my that’s my spiel on law enforcement. Absolutely go [ _ ] do it because it is the coolest job in the world. Just don’t expect it to be a career. If you want to be happy in life, you still got you’re a young person. You still got kids to have, wives to marry and divorce and marry again, you know, you got your whole life ahead of you, you know, and this job is a job that requires your identity. I’m I’m an advocate of make the [ _ ] job your identity. Make it when you’re 21. [ _ ] it. What else you got? Have fun with it. But it does require your identity because you could [ _ ] die at any time at this job at any time. People, even if you work in Mayberry, people will drive through that town and want to kill you just because you’re wearing a uniform. So, at any point, you’re not safe getting gas. You’re not safe cleaning out your car. You’re not safe anywhere. So, with that being said, enjoy it. But when it’s not enjoyable anymore, have a backup plan. Yeah, man. words of wisdom. I mean, that’s funny. I’ve never looked at it like that, but maybe that’s the new model, enlistment style. You know what I mean? Because it and and on top of that, it is a young man’s game. You know, I’ve worked with some cops that are like 65 and it’s like, “Brother, if you get if you tussle with one of these 21 year olds, you’re going to break your hip.” Like, they’ll be the first one to say, “I’m not tustling with nobody.” And then it’s like, “Damn, dude, you’re a [ _ ] cop.” Like, people expect you. You’re my backup, man. Yeah. I’m not one of those people that think cops need to know BJJ and be a blue belt and [ _ ] And if that’s the case, then you need to put it on the job uh qualifications, right? Must have or be able to have a blue belt in Brazilian jiu-jitsu. If it’s on the hiring [ _ ] bullet points, then yes, by all means. But until then, dude, don’t expect me to take it easy on a guy. Go train three times a week on my dime so I could take somebody into custody safer for them. That’s just not going to happen. I will punch them in the face until they’re snoring before I’m going to put my whole body on them and then just wait for five minutes while backup arrives. Like, Right. And you have to get like really sweaty and tangled up with a bunch of dudes all the time to get really good at it, too. Yeah. And I’m I don’t want to do that. I’m I got buddies that are into BJJ and I always make that reference. I’m like, “Dude, I just don’t want to be that close to dudes all the time.” I know you like it. You can go and take a lot of cool courses that are combative based for law enforcement. And I do think those are pretty cool because they don’t require you to get your ass beat all day long, which is intimidating for some people. They just don’t want to go do that. You can’t even get people to go exercise right now, let alone go three times a week, get their ass kicked for six months before they finally [ _ ] start getting good at it. So go to combives based or law enforcementbased combative courses where they teach you holds, restraints, basic things that you know BJJ cops is probably the best that I can think of right now that is strictly non-weapon related, just hands-on. Um, and you don’t need to have a blue belt because most the [ _ ] you learn in BJJ you can’t even use as a cop, right? Yeah. It’s all chokeold. Um, yeah. The one thing I about BJJ I think is funny. It’s it’s you always hear the story of the like I thought I was good until the instructor’s 17-year-old daughter came out and submitted me. Like yeah, I don’t want to be in that position. I’m good. Yeah. I mean, oh man, if it’s for you, it’s for you. But you’re right about the five-year thing, too. Like I remember um when I was 5 years in, they sent me and a bunch of other five-year guys to like this polish the badge seminar and they know they’ve done their studies that five years is the point where um people start making a decision, you know. So they send you this polish the badge fiveyear thing and they they try to um you know remotivate you or or try to like reawaken in you why you did the job in the first place. And um you know it was actually a a somewhat it was we enjoyed it because there there was a certain amount of [ _ ] sessions they allowed where they’re like just you know let it rip. What’s your what’s your what’s your beefs right now? And it was never ask a room full of cops what they have issues. Oh my god. All night there all night. No. Yeah. I don’t know. It’s um it it it’s constantly the job is constantly become always evolving to more liberalbased policies if you will like I mean if you look at it like what what year did you start? um 200 uh well I was natural resource officer for four years to 2006 and then 2006 I became a like police officer a cop. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean [ _ ] that was way before body cams but I mean that was probably when people were issued [ _ ] sticks you know it’s just p you could pursue for a traffic violation there. It just everything changes. So when you start, that’s your normal baseline. Whatever you’re allowed to do as a cop, that’s all you know. I came in the my first agency was issuing body cams to trainee. They had just gotten them. So my FTO’s didn’t even have them yet, right? I from day one as a cop, I always had a camera on me. So all the bitching and griping about body warn cameras didn’t affect me. I didn’t know the job, right? It’s all you knew. five years later going on to nine years later all the stupid [ _ ] that Axon makes you do in order to be compliant within your agency is the most asinine thing I’ve ever seen in my life and I just couldn’t take it anymore like tagging all your videos and I know every agency is different but spark testing your taser docking your taser battery x amount of time and then you can’t you were getting savvy like all right I don’t want to tag all these dumbass videos so I’m just not going to turn it on well Now they have the [ _ ] tracker where they show you went on scene 20 times and you only activated it twice. That’s a problem. You’re racers, sir. Yeah. And it’s just man, and I was like, dude, Axon’s got a [ _ ] grip on law enforcement to where I don’t want to be a part of it anymore. And but if you come in at 2025, that’s all you know. So that’s your baseline. So you’re good. And in five years, when it’s more ridiculous is when you’re going to go, this shit’s stupid. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I worked uh I for a while I worked for my hometown um as a part-time cop because they needed you know they needed cops and I was like I live here so I’ll do it and they had body cams and then the place I was working at full-time didn’t have them and um it was a struggle dude like I I would forget to turn it on all the time because I didn’t have them in my full-time job you know like if like you’re saying if you’re in if your um in if your introduction is with them it’s what you know if you don’t have them normally it’s it’s Um, you know, it’s kind of the pain. I think you either need to have them all the time or not. Like working part-time somewhere that that has them was was kind of a nightmare. Absolutely. Yeah, I can see that. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, “Oh, why don’t you turn on this traffic stop? What are you trying to hide?” I just forgot. I forgot I had the freaking thing on me. Yeah. And it’s human nature. You’re you’re never going to um never going to think body cam first before reacting. And if you are, then your mind is not I I don’t agree that cops should be even thinking about body cams in a hot situation. It’s just me, right? Yeah. Yeah, it makes sense. Tyler anti-hero podcast. I mean, I put on the we’re showing a screen out right now with your um with your logo and I’m assuming Spotify, Apple Podcast, YouTube. That’s where that’s where people can get after. And you guys go uh weekly or bi-weekly? Yeah. No, no, we go weekly. Every Monday morning at 7 a.m. is a we drop our pre-recorded um episode with special, you know, all kinds of different guests. Thursday nights 8:00 p.m. Eastern time, we go live on YouTube and that’s [ _ ] that’s wild. That’s fun as hell. That’s live, you know, engaging with the comments. Um yeah, and then, you know, you can go to I I own a a media company that is now anti-heroes under because of the whole failure to stop drama. So that’s called Counterculture, Inc. And then if you want to support us all, go to counterculture counterculturethreads.com and we have the best in counterculture graphic TE’s, stickers, hats, flags, ranger panties, hoodies, everything you need for counterculturees stuff, we got it. Excellent. I’ll put I’ll put that in the show notes so people can link right to it. What was um Oh, are are you willing to talk about the What was the drama with Filler to stop the Tim Kennedy stuff? Um, Eric Tanzy was the president. I was right under it. Eric hired me to pretty much VP the company. I mean, that wasn’t my official term, but I was the one that would go to I would I would see you and I would try and recruit you to Failure to Stop. And I and I will give this to Eric T. I learned everything I know from running a a network to Eric. You know, I worked for him for a while, but um I told him I’m like, “Hey, man.” I knew this was going to be a problem, but I told him, “Hey, we’re we’re we’re calling out Tim Kennedy.” Just an FYI, back in like November, December last year. Well, Tim Kennedy’s ghostriter, Nick Pomano, also wrote Eric Tanzy’s book. Oh, I can see how that’d be tough. Yeah. And you know, and and the guys over at [ _ ] Drinking Bros podcast don’t like us and Eric likes them and it was just an amicable split. We were like, “Hey, you know, it we’re both not happy over this.” cuz I didn’t like the way he didn’t like the way I was handling it and I didn’t like the way he was handling it and so we were like, you know what, must just split. And I haven’t talked to him since. So, hope he’s doing good. Gotcha. Okay. Um, yeah, the Tim Kennedy stuff, dude, that was that was wild to watch cuz um you know how it is. It’s like I’m well I’m working still so I work a lot of hours and uh if I see you guys pop up and I’m in an area where I have reception because I work in the hilltowns um I’ll tune in to you guys and um I was like watching the beginning of you guys calling him out and I was like whoa like because I know Tim Kennedy because he’s so he’s so everywhere that like he just pops up in like my in my um in my shorts you know so I’m like oh MMA fighter slash like special operator guy And in my mind, um, hearing you guys call him out, I was think I was just thinking there is no way in hell in the modern era that you would lie. You would steal valor right now in in this point in history because not only technology, but like you worked with other people. So people are going to know this isn’t true. So when you guys were starting to say that in the back of my mind I was like they must they must know for sure like cuz there’s no way they would do that otherwise. And I just recently it was the last I think last week I saw that he admitted it. I was like this is freaking unbelievable dude. Like I can’t believe he did that. Yeah. Sucks. I I feel I shouldn’t say I feel for him. I feel bad for him in an extent. I think he’s got something wrong with him. Yeah. Um narcissism doesn’t begin to [ _ ] touch it. I think he’s got something wrong upstairs that um he can’t see what he’s doing is wrong. And yeah, you know, everybody’s jumping on the train and I know anti-hero has got is going to end it with end it as in like you know we’re we’re there’s a dead horse there, right? So, and everybody’s jumped on. Then some people said they were done and then jumped back on because they wanted still to get the the a little bit of the [ __ ] you know, taste of it. But at the end of the day, when Anti-hero is done with it, you know, it’ll be over. Yeah. Yeah. You’re right, man. You can’t I mean, you spoke the truth. You You brought the darkness to the light. And what are you what are you gonna grind them grind them into the ground? You know, that’s not what you’re You guys are about. Can’t you You informed everybody. I we informed everybody and then it’s up to them at the end of the day. Yeah. Well, hey man, that was that was um that was wild. So, good for you guys. Good for you guys to to just, you know, tell the truth about it. That that obviously had to happen. I mean, he’s a major influencer. You you can’t let that stand, you know. Yeah. And he’s getting into politics. You really want a guy like that in politics? I mean, that’s actually all that’s in politics. So, actually would have been a match made in heaven, but Right. Yeah. Damn, man. Well, man, you guys are doing you guys are doing great work over there. It was an honor to have you on, Tyler. Thank you so much for coming on, telling us your tales and some of your story, brother. Really appreciate it. I got to do the outro to the show. 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