SWAT vs Broadsword, Burger King Body, Woman Stabbed 60 Times

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now the author of uh a book called Ram one also his moniker when he was on the SWAT team if you want to hear stories about a guy that went through the door first this would be your man it’s an honor to have him let’s bring on Paul Malone Paul morning Steve how are you good sir thank you for coming on man I’m I’m really happy to have you yeah oh I’m happy to be here uh been looking forward to this for the last several weeks brother it’s awesome I love I love your background I love the prayer huddle I can see behind your head there with the SWAT guys yeah that’s awesome would you do that at training or just before a big call or uh we did that before before every live operation yeah it’s a good idea man it’s always good to have the Lord on have your back you know I’m into that heck yeah so in Omaha obviously a built-up metropolitan area but were you did you um like I work in a very small agency and I think those are pretty common in the Midwest and actually all over the country a lot of agencies are there’s a lot of agencies that are just a chief you read articles about this guy that’s like got 400 square miles and he’s a chief for a population of 5,000 and he’s alone it’s like insane did you help a lot of small agencies out with um things they needed or or warrants or raids yeah you know we did there’s a Omaha’s kind of an anomaly you know it’s it’s a 900 officer to Department in a state that’s only 1.5 million um and the the little communities that surround Omaha uh yeah we would serve search warrants for them assist them when needed but you know we have a couple of couple of agencies you know that surround us that are 100 officers here 100 officers there so um the rest of the state doesn’t have any cops but the the greater Omaha area is uh actually staffed pretty well okay so they’re pretty yeah 100 100 officers that’s a good like midsize Department that’s got plenty um with the outer outskirts in the small areas is it mostly like uh like sparsely like you know coupl man departments or do the sheriffs just cover it you know yeah the that we have you know the deputies across the state um are probably the lion Sheriff departments once you get past the you know the five or six quote unquote cities in our state um and the state patrol the state troopers they do a lot of radio call answering in uh in some of the really remote areas assisting the county guys or the or the police departments with five cops or three cops so they assist quite a bit Yeah man they cover some big ground like where I work there’s like it’s just under 60 square miles the Two Towns I cover um which I thought was like that’s a lot because if you’re on one end of the your jurisdiction to get to the other could be almost a half an hour but um so I had an Iowa Deputy on that she her her area was like 500 square miles and they had like two deputies I’m like damn that’s you almost need a chopper to get there in time for a domestic you know yeah that’s uh you know it’s it’s it’s dangerous and it’s scary and it’s sad that um someone would be out there alone for that long that length of period if something bad’s going on yeah it’s nuts I was just reading an article about um because it kind of I’m really interested in how other other places in the country do their policing and there’s this there’s this one guy uh I can’t remember the city but it was in Wisconsin rural area in Wisconsin like a good ways outside the first major city and um 7,000 people population in this large rural Town One Cop and he was the chief and the the poor freaking guy he’s like you know he’s like probably in his 50s a little bit heavy set salt and pepper hair you can just tell like he he’s been a cop a long time and I don’t know if it was like being chief that enticed him but he already quit once and then the town came together and like people were like pissed because they wanted they love the guy and he actually came back with his big complaint was the pay and I don’t have any helpers there’s like no there’s no officers no deputies to help me and he came back anyways I’m like man God bless that guy that’s insane yeah it’s a whole different kind of policing you know it can’t be the IR and fist you know you have to have you know comrades with you that are the citizens to assist with stuff you there’s no way you could you could cop that as you would cop NYPD you know it’s just not gonna happen yeah you got to use your mouth you know you got to be like if you go to a thing and you know the guy’s going to be under arrest you kind of have to like you know BS with them for a little bit so he doesn’t really know the plan and then when the other guy shows up you’re like all right well you’re under arrest exact 100% man it’s it’s so interesting how different everything is but certainly you came from a place that is um you know a big a Metro Police Department which is really cool those agencies are cool especially for people getting into the job where they um you know they come in and there are Specialties all over the place like you can you can find your strength in police work and then you can kind of aim towards that specialty you know you can do you could do the schools you could do drugs you could do property crimes you could do um internet crimes like that’s that’s a cool thing about huge agencies and obvious you went the the um narcotics and SWAT route which is awesome yeah you know I I tell young cops or people who want to be cops or other people just with interest that you know the size of our department I think is just perfect it’s big enough you can do so many different things you could work a different specialty for two or three years and move on and do another one and never get through all of them before it’s time to retire but at the same time you still can know almost everybody at some point you know if if you don’t go hideing way like I did in the in the secret location and work undercover for that long but you know if you’re working in in a like even just a gang unit or something you have the the ability to be gregarious and go see all the different precincts and work with different people and you know through training courses and things you you can know almost everybody but it’s still huge enough that you can kind of hide away as well so I think it’s a perfect size Department to work for yeah absolutely I can totally understand that um so you when you when you got into police work obviously you weren’t on SWAT and you weren’t in Narcotics so you’re you know you’re a a young officer Malone getting in can you recall like the first um hot call that you went on the first call that really got your blood going blood pumping you know literally I graduated Academy on July 20th and whomever the powers to be were they had some of us work that night for the midnight shift you know day yeah um that’s not cool no you couldn’t even couldn’t even go out and have a a little ceremony or party but uh the first call out of the blocks that night was a body down in the Burger King parking lot and you know we we had cruised around for 20 or 30 minutes maybe an hour my my fto was showing me where to go what to do how does the cruiser operate that kind of stuff and our first call was a body down in a Burger King parking lot and we get there and the body had been running over and not just once but probably six or seven times and of course that night you don’t know what it is but you know here’s this body that’s the head is laying down somewhat downward um and so the blood had be to pull the the lividity in the head had made this the head was swollen and it looked like a big purple pumpkin and the investigation turned out which we found out a week or so later from the homicide guys is that this guy was a crossdresser driving around with a bunch of Hispanics in a car drinking beer they soon realized that uh she was a he they threw him out the car ran him over and continued to ramp over his body multiple times to make sure he was dead and like that was my very first radio call as a police as still in training right day one call one and oh my gosh I was able to se separate myself from the scene and I’m like this is I’m like this job’s going to be interesting you know and the body didn’t didn’t freak me out I didn’t didn’t get sick or anything like that it just was like wow I suppose now you go into work mode and how are we going to handle this scene but yeah that was call one damn yeah I I don’t like seeing the human body in like weird and uh contorted ways which is unfortunately part of our job but a lot of guys are that’s not that’s not their weakness I that was I I never I still to the state don’t like it but I I’m fine um I’ve worked with guys before that just don’t like animals hurt they they’ll go to a body that’s tied into a pretzel but uh if if a dog gets hit they’re like can you take this one like yeah you take the next body then um that’s crazy man so when you were when you saw that for the first time you saw like the the lividity and the the swollen head and all that it it wasn’t it didn’t shock you or didn’t disturb you at all no it was it was interesting it wasn’t interesting in a grotesque way it just was I like learning new things and it was interesting on okay here’s some of the stuff they talked about in the academy you know that you know the homicide guys come out in the academy and say hey you know this is what lividity is and here’s what here’s what you you can notice on things if you find bodies such as that and so it just was interesting that okay this is day one and uh it’s it’s time to work as opposed to just stand by and gawk you know and there was there was another officer that they brought to the scene you know since it was day one for some of us she was in my Academy and you know she did nothing to help it was to her it was it was shocking you know and she she and maybe later she got better but she couldn’t get past the point of here someone who was run over by a car six seven times and and to not just stand there and be you know a struck as opposed to hey we got a job to do here you know yeah like the blood left her face she’s just like yeah yeah um yeah that’s crazy mean lividity is is nuts um because it’s you know it’s all it’s based on time so like how old the body is but um because I remember going to an early one younger in my career and there was like he had been faed down the bathroom floor for like a long time and he had like three dogs and seven cats locked in the house with them so you open the door and you just smell that ammonia animal piss smell and you’re like oh that alone I was like like just gagging at and there’s poop all over the floor luckily the cats I’ve heard this before that cats will eat the body but the cats did not eat him and the dogs didn’t eat them they kind of left them alone but I’ll never forget the detectives like picked up um his head and his face just looking for wounds to make sure you know this was natural he was huge and overweight and they pretty sure it was uh you know some kind of attack like heart attack or something but um his face was black and his lips and nose were like especially his lips were like swollen looked like a cartoon I remember looking at it and being like that is crazy just having no idea that could happen you know just being so new being just looking at it and being like what the hell happened to this guy like who did this to him or whatever and they’re like know it’s just the blood’s pooling but then you go later to ones where it’s like you know an old lady who died in her armchair and just like the bottom of her forearms like a little pink you know just because it just started to collect it’s not like it’s not days so that’s that’s like a big learning curve especially when you’re you know I don’t ever remember I don’t think they even went over that in academy I think that’s just on the job stuff you know a couple words you just said bring back another natural death you said old lady in armchair you know I had a call on a housing project and it was like eighth floor you know check check the wellbeing and soon as the elevator door opened you knew that this person was dead you know the whole the whole eighth floor was just dead dead body smell and every cop knows that and uh go there and uh yeah she’s laying in bed dead and been there a long time and the the Body Snatchers show up and uh they go to pick her up and her arm just ripped off of her body I was like holy ho crap that was just goofy yeah like an overdone uh chicken or something oh my gosh that’s awful man and then I’m thinking you know and I I mentioned the book multiple times you know in Omaha we have it’s a private contractor that are the Body Snatchers if it’s not if it’s not going to be a murder scene like a funeral home or something yeah um but these the it was just two dudes in a van and jeans and t-shirts and they were private contractor for the corner and they’d go pick up bodies wherever we had them and uh I’m thinking man isn’t isn’t a Walmart hiring you know this this is your career choice bro yeah yeah terrible brutal yeah I know it’s it’s funny when it when the for us it’s the same thing like if the me and the State Police Homicide don’t want it then um just a funeral home will come and it it it varies you know like they if it’s like a very um successful funeral home or a big big one in the area a lot of them have are familial they’ve been in the area forever and they’re they’ll show up with with a suit on and they’re they’re you can tell they’re trained in trauma they’re very quiet they’re very like they speak with the the if the spouse or family members like very empathetically and but sometimes you will get the guy like that shows up just with with you know cargo pants on a T-shirt and then his buddy is helping him because like he didn’t have another person this guy works for us parttime sometimes and it’s like they’re just kind like they’re just kind of and joking and you’re like dude this This Woman’s a husband is coked take it easy yeah no it’s say literally the same thing that’s the two guys that were here in om back then the one guy looked like a younger version of Danny DeVito and it it just was a comedy hour with these guys and it’s like man what a what a weird job yeah do you ever have the one when they like one person shows up and it’s like a small female and they’re like uh you’re looking at the body and you’re like I really don’t want to help you but it looks like I’m going to have to help you cuz you’re alone you know I never never had that um oh that’s great lucky I guess I’ve only had it a couple times but not a fan I don’t like how um had one guy die in the toilet and he was just frozen like totally supported he had like the old man thing around the toilet but just died pooping and did not fall over or nothing just froze in place and um seeing people straighten and push joints to get somebody into a bag to me is like disgusting like I can’t I can’t watch when they’re just like like straightening the knees and stuff I had one that was uh older black lady had dementia and she walked outside in January and it woring her just thin little MooMoo and she froze to death and she was in a contorted position um you know basically she laid down to sleep in the yard because she couldn’t find her way back and oh sad um and she was a large woman and you know I almost had to fight to keep the family out you know the the neighbors called after the cops were there and you know I was the white cop in a almost all African-American neighborhood and yeah um you know they wanted to go see her I’m just trying to like hey come on just just you know you don’t want to see her right now you know anyways the Body Snatchers did their best to put her in the bag but she didn’t fit because of how she was laying so they just kind of had the the bag around her and they put her on the gurnie and take her over to the uh their their minivan basically and this is the terrible part you know I’m I’m in my car because it is three degrees and I’ve been out there for hours so my car is really close to their van and I’m just watching the scene finishing my reports waiting for them to put her in the van and close the doors and finally leave you know the family had gone inside and you know when they when they push that gurnie in you know the legs kind of fold right um and they pushed it in and well she the body fell off of the off of the gurnie oh and it’s it’s hard to describe but the sound of Frozen flesh crashing into like a the metal inside of the van was just such an eerie sound and I’m thinking man if families only knew you know how bodies are treated even if it’s not intentional yeah you know how bodies were treated um they wouldn’t want to know yeah it was that was that sound I can still hear it it was just weird yeah the van shook the van shook all left and right and these guys are looking looking over their shoulder like did anybody see that happen and I’m like yeah bro I saw that happened you’re like I saw that yeah damn man yeah that’s awful um Paul can you can you describe to us a strange or bizarre thing you dealt with on the job God man where do you start um you know the the murders or the suicides you know there was got right out of the so again right out of the academy um I was my second phase of fto I was taken to a mohamde scene that a woman was stabbed like 60 times and I don’t want to say this right she was a beautiful woman um and she was naked what we found out later is that she had been in in a relationship with her son’s friend and it went bad you know so that’s odd in and of itself right there but you know you talk about detaching yourself from uh from the body on a scene and I ended up knowing this lady I didn’t recognize her at the time but I used to work with this lady really um I wor I worked at uh a youth home before I was a police officer and for like the last six months she was the evening receptionist um which so I just had very little contact with her but after I read the name I’m like holy smokes I called my old boss he’s like yeah that was her and so here I’m in this room and this lady that I used to work with and she had been stabbed 60 times by your son’s friend because they had a sexual relationship and it went bad you know so that’s that’s pretty pretty milk toast compared to some situations but it was it was it was an odd I wouldn’t say so that’s crazy yeah kind of weird coincidence right yeah but you know I mean it’s it’s that’s kind of a loaded question and it’s you know you’re when non-op friends ask you those questions it’s kind of hard to give answers you know it just it’s a weird hard storytelling thing um but to other cops it’s easier you know uh kicking indoors to a house fire and you know carrying out a lifeless body or um you know some of the SWAT stories where yeah guys you know getting shot at and having to to crawl through a house and you know the guy’s in a basement he can hear you crawling you know want to get shot through the floor excuse me you know wild Pursuits or foot Pursuits in the projects at two in the morning when you know the guy’s he’s got a pistol down at his side and you’re chasing him for whatever stupid reason you want to catch him uh you know it’s man they’re they’re almost Limitless you know when you when you do it for that long and uh oh yeah what I found was odd is towards the end especially towards the end of my SWAT career you know you didn’t there was no adrenaline dump you know you see the young guys on the team that are kind of doing some of their tactical breathing as they’re as we’re getting close and us old guys are just like let’s go hit it you know yeah what it is yeah you ran on nitrous for too long you’re burnt out yeah you know when you’re 2,000 search warrants in your career it’s like okay it is what it is it’s like going to get coffee it seems like and that’s probably not a very good thing um you know but you just got used to doing it yeah yeah you kind of you grew those callous so that you could do the job and now that you’re you’re retired and you’re you know doing some training stuff and obviously writing books um does do you have any residuals from that do you ever get like a um PTSD type stuff or or do you find that everything’s kind of like dull nothing really um nothing really you know gives you any kind of adrenaline dump or how how do you handle that you know yeah I don’t I don’t get a whole lot of adrenaline dumps I I did another podcast and I was asked about you know am I a am I a thrill seeker on the outside and I I’m really I’m not um I guess maybe I got all my Thrills on the department you know so like bunging jumping or those kind of things you know that’s that’s not this guy um you know you ask about PTSD it’s that’s funny too I have a I have a weird stance on that on that term you know does it exist absolutely um does does it exist in the police World absolutely but I I see it getting abused um I mean you you can watch TV commercials anymore and you’ll see two actors on there and they’re like at a gym and and talk to one another you know you can you can talk to someone about your problems you know and it’s it’s a military uh advertisement you know talking about you you can you can get your PTSD payments you know go talk to someone and I see it get pushed so hard that hey you two have PTSD and it it bothers me for those who really do have it you know and I I I also am kind of on the stance that man I wish they could come up with another term because in my heart that term is reserve for the military guys and gals you know th those guys are my heroes and in the police world I think it’s a little bit different in the sense that it’s like a long-term exposure disorder I don’t know what you would call it but yeah yeah it it exists for sure because of the the the 25 years worth of you know suicides and accidents and just the stressors of a DV call or Pursuits or whatever it is but I just think when people say PTSD it it makes them think of like combat you know and cops aren’t in combat necessarily you know I never got rock rocketed and mortared and you know I was involved in shootings but it’s to me it’s just a little different so again sometimes I think it takes away from the you know the special operator guys who were in Iraq and Afghanistan and Vietnam and you know exposes so much that I wasn’t ever exposed to you know but yeah you see that too on the on social media man it’s like like you said it’s a good thing to be aware of like keeping yourself mentally healthy but it is like it’s almost becoming a cottage industry like it’s popping up like it’s almost like talking people in that they have it I mean as as men at we are the the the Warriors of the Sexes like we’re we are designed to take a certain amount of stress and to do dangerous jobs it’s literally our job as men to do things like that so when I see it like pushed so hard like um I don’t mind having people on and I’m interested to hear about it uh that’s why I asked the question but I sometimes I get approached with someone who wants to come on and just talk about that and I have I had one episode that had a good friend of mine kind of describe his journey through it he was a San Frisco cop and it was very interesting and um he no doubt has um um trauma but like I having multiple guests on to just talk about trauma police work to me is like that this is a like a war Story show like we want to talk we want to get people excited about police work you know what I mean so it is kind of like it is like At first there was no awareness about it then there was some and places do a thing and now it’s like it’s like drinking from a fire host it’s like a ton of the social media you see geared toward cops yeah you know so like for example my my dad was Vietnam vet he was not a combat vet necessarily but I mean everybody over there you know was dangerous obviously um and towards the end of his life the government basically came to him and said hey you need to put in for um agent orange exposure and so he started getting like whatever two three grand a month for that and good for him you know he was exposed Agent Orange um but they’re pushing it and and I have a a older gentleman friend at church who was in the Navy um and non-combat years in the Navy and he has PTSD I don’t know what from but I believe the VA pushes that so heavy now for all these guys that there’s just all this free money out there and you know now he he in his heart well yeah I have PTSD from being in the military you know just being in the military doesn’t give you PTSD and and and no you don’t have to have stormed Normandy Beach to have PTSD but again they’re just it’s it’s getting pushed so so hard to take this money and I think it really weakens or it it it just takes it away from those from the guys and GS who have seen some crazy stuff and done crazy things and you know year after year or deployment after deployment of you know being in combat it’s that’s who deserves it come up with another an acronym and give those people money if you want to but um just to me that’s reserved for the guy and GS and green right yeah I totally understand that point um Paul I think a great way to combat that and the only way for me to combat or to help my mental health is through is through God through the L through prayer in your career what role did um uh your faith play in in keeping you centered you know early on nothing um I didn’t uh I didn’t accept Christ as my savior till I was 40 years old and I’m I’m glad it happened when it did because I probably wouldn’t be here today if if it hadn’t happened um you know we used to ride on ride to these hits on on the SWAT van and it was it was crazy talk and you know very crass and and rude and you know guys were trying to to let off steam before we’re gonna go knock in a door of a homicide suspect right um you know but I had a had a conversion of heart and um luckily it was before my shooting um but what I ended up doing with that conversion is realizing Hey listen you’re getting to be kind of one of the older guys on the team and the young guys generally look to the older guys if they’re a good person and sure like you know I’m gon to seize this moment and so I asked the guys if they would consider doing a team prayer before we go do operations and uh start out small at first but it soon turned into everybody on the team was doing it um and I checking with the guys they still do it today and it’s just a hey we’re going to do this period And if it turns out it’s some type of emergency call out and they’ll do it on the van ride to the to the location um it’s awesome so it was a big part for me um the second half of my career and uh you know it I am so thankful for the fact that that had happened and you know it’s still a big part of my life today yeah man it gives you it g it totally um having that world like having that new world view of of you know um being in Christ it it’s just I you know I can’t stress enough how much it changed my life and it it gives you um it gives you a lot of uh comfort in knowing that like you’re God has you in your vocation for a reason you’re going to whatever thing you’re talking about for a reason to do your job and it it kind of like solidifies that that purpose where like things are meaningful there’s good there’s evil you have a job to do God has put you there like it it it g it really for me gives that comforts me rather than like atheist friends or agnostic friends who are just like how how do you um how do you quantify or how do you balance how do you make sense out of anything in your life without God you know what I mean like to me it’s like it’s it’s everything so I can see how that would like be a huge help especially to like a you know SWAT or SRT or emergency response team that’s amazing man so cool you did that yeah know it was well he put me up to it you know and uh you know that’s the daily prayer man use me as you see fit whatever that may be and if I’m not recognized it smack me across the face to help me recognize it but you know use me as you see fit for your kingdom and that’s uh that’s just the way to live you know in my opinion yeah absolutely Amen to that Paul can you tell us about um your most intense uh or terrifying call that you were on yeah so the opening chapter of the book um on SWAT obviously I was working narcotics uh a sea shift or evening narcotics and I was down at our Central headquarters booking in Dope From A search warant we had just hit it 10 pm and my phone rang and it was our SWAT Lieutenant you know we had pagers back then so there’s no reason the SWAT Lieutenant should be calling Paul Maloney at 10 p.m. on a Friday night night and uh the reason he called me was is that my wife was the lead of the head of our negotiators hostage negotiators and she hadn’t answered her phone you know shame on her so he’s like hey Case un answer I’m like well what’s up LT he said we got a hostage rescue at 1600 Pine um get their ASAP man I was like five six blocks away and so I I drop what I’m doing till the N guys hey I got to go swats calling um and I raced down to the Pine Towers which was a 13-story apartment unit for uh government housing and um get there and what end up being was is that there was a a paranoid schizophrenic who was off of his medication and he was having auditory and visual hallucinations the guy literally thought he was a king like King Arthur um he had beat up his baby’s mama earlier in the day and had threatened to kill her and now he was barricaded inside of apartment with his um 9-day old baby threatening to kill the baby um he is he is completely irrational whacked you know you can’t have a conversation with them so I I hastily just grab my Ram and my M4 and my bak clava and I hul ass and get in and go up the elevator and luckily there was already two other SWAT guys there who have different jobs you know swad and Omaha is a part-time job it’s an extremely busy unit um extremely busy SWAT team for being part-time wow I can’t believe you guys aren’t isn’t full-time that’s crazy we’re doing like 135 hits a year minus dignitary protection and barricaded gunman and other things so I mean it’s every two and a half three days you know the team is going out doing something live so I get up to the 12th floor and uh I see a stack of guys outside the door you know two SWAT guys and just other people you know Cruiser guys and gang guys and um I relieve I relieve one of the guys out of the stack who’s got an AR and uh you can hear the you can hear the guy inside the house inside the apartment just ranting and raving and he he’s armed with a four-foot sword like Conan I mean literally Conan the Barbarian was his weapon of choice wow and he thinks he thinks he’s a king and he’s screaming at the door you know F you guys you comeing I’m gonna F and kill you I’m gonna kill her um but he’s also chopping at the door with that sword like it’s an ax and it just is resonating you know you know chop chop chop chop yeah and it’s like you could tell that this sword had some weight to it it wasn’t this wasn’t a little some BS sword that you know is a foot long and it’s like a Rob Roy broadsword or something yeah and so this he’s also pounding the sword into the floor of his apartment which is you know it’s a it’s a Concrete building with you know shitty tile floor but he’s taking the sword and he’s plunging it down and pounding into the floor and you can feel and hear that resonate throughout this concrete building it’s like man this sword has some heft to it right so this is this is again this is a real weapon this isn’t something that’s fictitious everything else the guy had was was phony so he he had he had a crown he had a chest plate of armor he had a a throne in his apartment a red velvet Throne he had uh uh big Sterling you know fake sterling silver platter oh man so he was like he thought this for he went crazy for a while then he’s been the king of this castle for a while gold wine glasses you know goblets on it with with rubies and stuff embedded in them and ohsh he was wearing a crown his walkaround crown but his his really highend official king crown was over on a on a chair in the corner and it was all bedazzled with you know fake diamonds and stuff oh my God and he literally thought he was a king and so there was a street Sergeant who was trying to negotiate through the door he did a very good job for not being trained as a hostage negotiator um or a crisis negotiator but it didn’t matter who was talking to him the guy was off his meds and so I get there and I’m I’m immediately taking up stock I’m like okay this is bad how are we gonna get in you know this the SWAT team has already been activated but I know how that works man they’re 45 minutes away 35 minutes away if they really haul ass and so another SWAT guy showed up so now we got four guys here and at the time I was an explosive breacher I was I was on the the one of the lead explosive breachers so I’m looking at the door um thinking what charge are we going to need to get in and again we’re on the 12th floor this 13th floor building and there’s there’s not a lot of tall buildings in Omaha and there was nothing close so um a sniper element was was not in play for this deal the other cop that showed up real quick was uh he was our lead repel Master on SWAT so he’s doing his job he goes up to the roof to see if there’s an anchor point where they can repel down and we can shoot him from outside the window um damn and while while all this is going on we finally had an actual train negotiator show up uh Chris perno he’s that guy that was former NYPD that came to Omaha and he’s now negotiating with the guy through the door and he’s doing a great job again because that’s his that’s his thing but um there’s no progress being made you know the the guy was not only yelling at us and threatening us he was he was telling Chris that his computer is is plotting against him basically so he’s he’s lost it um you know this fast forwards for 15 or 20 minutes and it’s it’s degrading a little bit you know with with what he’s saying and how much he’s chopping at the door and um we’re getting updates from SWAT that Hey listen we’re still 20 minutes out um The Negotiator Chris was like dude we’re not going to get anywhere with this guy you know this is negotiations aren’t going to solve this one um you know and so at this point um we already had a tactical plan on on making a h Hasty entry if we have to go before the team gets there and um we had a sergeant one of our SWAT sergeants Sergeant wandra was uh was there so this point we have five total SWAT guys there and you know we made an entry plan we end up getting a key um and here’s where there was a bone of contention and it’s it turned into a lot of change on our team and our department and our training but uh Sergeant wander wanted to go through the door with a bunker and you know if you read a SWAT manual they’ll tell you say you never take a bunker on hostage rescue you know you’re going going in with with guns up and that’s it what’s a bunker a shield oh okay your your ballistic shield right two foot by three foot Shield um and you don’t take a bunker and hostage dress because you need be able to shoot right away you know and your life is secondary but this was a a strange entry to an apartment and the man’s armed with a sword and and the guy was 62260 um and the way he’s hitting the the the door sound like if if if that sword is semi-sharp your arms are going to get cut cut off if you you know if you go to if you go to block a a full force swing with that sword you’re going to lose your arm or better if you come in you know weapons forward and you don’t see him and he hits you from the side you might lose both of your arms so it was such a strange scenario that like hell yeah the bunker makes perfect sense so the plan was we’re going to key our way into the door when we hear that he’s you know not at the door and Sergeant wander is going to go in first and I was going to be on his on his I was going to be the second one in and if he didn’t get attacked with that sword right at the door you know his goal was to absorb you know Babe Ruth swinging for the fences right um if if that guy wasn’t there then he’s gonna instantly just roll to his left I’m going to bypass him and now it’ll be guns front first to go save the baby um it make matters worse we hadn’t heard the baby cry the entire time we were there and it’s like man did we we already too late so we’re getting our plan ready and again SWAT says hey we’re 20 minutes out um The Negotiator looks back at us he’s like hey man I can’t help you you know and Chris is a solid solid guy he says I can’t help you here and Craig is already down from the roof saying hey there’s no Anchor Point there’s no sniper option it’s us that’s it and the onse lieutenant this female Lieutenant um although she outranked us you know she knows and we know that swats in charge of this operation she comes over and gives us his looks like if you guys got to go kill him to save the baby just do it what are you waiting for and we’re like good for her yeah no 100% good for her um and it was a little bit embarrassing afterwards that when we talked we’re like why did it take us that long to wait you know um we were trying we were trying to figure you know work the plan what are we going to do here you know um but it’s realized hey sometimes you have to just go so we went key opened the door and the guy is about 12 to 15 feet inside the apartment so Sergeant wander rolls out of the way and now it’s me and the dude and he bolts to his right to my left he was standing at the threshold of the bedroom he was in the living room um I had no shot on him at that moment but I I raced to his bedroom door you know it seemed like it took a second maybe and as I get to the door he standing four feet from me inside the room he is straddling the corner of a like a single mattress no sheets no bed frame no box springs the the the piss so soaked mattress is just on the floor itself and he’s straddling the bottom corner and between his feet is this nine day old infant oh and you know all of that happens in a Flash and I’m looking at the dude I’m looking in the eyes he’s holding the sword here in a effort to plunge it down towards the baby oh I I snapped to my position um we were we were using um Colt m4s at the time with the eex on top and you know I was already shouldered when I got in the hallway so I just came up the last couple inches when I when I got to the doorway and you know we made eye contact and he says I’m gonna kill her and he just he was just so deranged looking you know I could my my recollection I could see like individual hairs of his beard protruding from his face um and he’s he’s holding the sword and he makes I says I’m gonna kill her and my thought is no you’re not you know so I raised my EOTech up and um it was interesting we had a we had a training failure that day and we had a training success the training failure was is when my Red Dot came up um I had a conversation in my head uh said you’re too high you know my my Red Dot had had floated to about here which would have been perfect um but we had that close it should be shooting low right about two and a half inches low right but that was our training failure is that with rifles if you shoot paper targets that close the muzzle blast just incinerates the targets you can shoot one and you’re over and you still and it it blows a paper away so we didn’t have targets we could use then that could we could practice offset at like four feet and yeah you may use a rifle at four feet um you know we were proving it right now we’re in the middle of it so I had this this super fast conversation my head thinking [ _ ] you’re too high and as I brought my EOTech down as soon as I squeezed off that first round I told myself damn it you’re too low and my my bullet impacted just off of his nose um and his head slapped to his left like Mike Tyson had just punched him with a with an insane hook right yeah and then he looked right back at me and in that process the bullet went in and exited right here it did a 100% 180 right back out of his mouth as his head turned and a rifle round it blew his blew his teeth out and it blew there was 27 pieces of fragment in the wall behind him yeah 62 grain um Remington and so then the the the intrusive thought in my head was [ _ ] these bullets don’t work yeah this is this is happening man just like this yeah as soon as soon as his head slapped over he looked back at me I’m like I have to do something different this isn’t these aren’t working so I figured I would just start King his body full of rounds to get him to stop because he’s still standing there still has the sword um and and his body was kind of a little bit of an angle to me when that happened and so I just started putting rounds into his body and um soon as I did he instantly dropped to the ground and I thought that i’ had spine shot him somehow that my bullet went in under his left arm under his right arm and had severed his spine because he dropped so fast you know it wasn’t like the movies where you’re going to stumble back or go flying back he just instantly hit the ground um but as soon as he hits the ground you know now the training there was a success in the training you know we’re always training in the flat range you know shoot the person follow him down does does he need to be shot on the ground again is the person still a threat you know that training Mantra had had stuck in my head so I followed him to the ground and he instantly reaches back for the baby and just crazy think he had that that fortitude to be able to do that you with his with his mouth blown away and and a and a round end his body um he reached back for the infant and so the training kicked in to where I followed him down with my EOTech and I shot him again and um I could tell with that third shot that he was I killed him inst they hit him in the brain stem um and his body just instantly was done and uh you know the baby was alive even though she had made a peep when we were there one of the most distinctive memories from that is after that third shot I stepped in the room to make room for everybody else I’m going to go clear the rest of the room and you know do everything by myself um which was unnecessary but I’m telling guys clear the room get the baby do this do that check the closets you know they were already doing all that stuff right but I looked back over my shoulder as I had stepped in further um and I see Danny Torres picking up this infant holding her right here and he’s like she’s alive I’m like oh my God thank you yeah and she was she was in a Onie and she was soaked in her own urine you know he hadn’t done anything for her since he had beat up the mom multiple hours earlier and kicked her out of the apartment and he just was on his his tiate the whole time um you he lost it you know and I was interesting point is that when I stepped in I I I yelled out you stupid mfer and I was pissed at e for us to kill him accurate and reflection later was he didn’t for us to do anything he had no idea what was going on he was so out of his mind um he was not in control of his faculties whatsoever our mental health system is what failed that guy and um you know he he didn’t it wasn’t a suicide by cop thing I’ve been involved in those before it wasn’t suicide by a cop he had no idea what was going on in the world he thought he was a king and why it went that way other than the fact that he’s crazy that was it you know and so in the book I don’t use his name I don’t want to I don’t want to you know make his family feel like I’m sliding them by any means you know the guy the guy was crazy officially crazy and you know that that is what led to his death that day and it wouldn’t have mattered if if you know like a co-responder showed up that day nothing would have changed you know we had a professional negotiator there we did what we had to do to Save a Life um unfortunately that included to killing you know the father but uh I would I would take that outcome every day if that was the only choice you know I’m not going to we’re not going to wait long enough to let him cut a 9 old infant and half with a four foot broadword you know so that was uh that was an event man I tell you being outside the door when he’s when he’s chopping at it it reminded me that scene in The Shining where uh Nicholson is chopping at that hotel door with the ax and then he peers through that hole in the door saying here’s Johnny I’m like I wanted to just shoot the dude through the door when he’s chopping at of course that’s obviously not even remotely an option um but it was it was that was not something we’d ever trained for you know and so that La Led Led back to you know going in with the bunker you know people were pissed at Sergeant wander people who weren’t there it’s like Hey listen man you weren’t there this was not anything we’ve ever trained for this isn’t you know the classic hostage hostage taker scenario where you don’t want the bunker there so you can make a perfect shot this was so different something we never even fathomed we’re going to go through a door with a guy with a with a sword that could be razor sharp we have no idea yeah there definitely was a heavy duty sword and even if it was halfway sharp literally you could you could have lost your head or both arms or been extremely disfigured and not being able to function anyway so going going through the door at the bunker was 100% the right call yeah absolutely especially a guy that goes to the trouble of buying like gem encrusted goblets you he definitely might take the time to sharpen a sword yeah it was you know he had like said he had completely lost it and so I don’t I don’t try to make fun of the guy you know is I killed the crazy man and yeah um if if you know for the vast billions of dollars are government waste you know we should pump more money into Mental Health Services you know for sure yeah yeah that that is interesting the um the the mental health thing now is like totally insane we we have correspond as an overtime shift and it’s like these little towns I work in are like busy with mental health and it’s like something like they’ve never seen before it’s like what what the hell is going on here I mean I think I’m sure it’s a product of our our the culture that’s pervading America and the godlessness and the um you know relativism of morality and truth and what’s right and wrong all those things put together are creating this horrible stew of uh Mental Illness but s like the guy you had is uh like like you said the co-responder would have showed up and said you know he’s a complete psychotic break there’s nothing there’s no one on this Earth is gonna is going to touch him No One’s Gonna gonna alter his actions so brother that’s a tough one but you you absolutely um the man was up to evil regardless of his what was going on in his head so you did what you had to do that that’s that is one intense story man you tell it well oh thank you I’ve told it before yeah I bet damn man that yeah that’s probably not when you you break out at the cookout that’s uh that’s the lead chapter of the book and which was interesting you know I I wrote my book chronologically and my editor is like no you know you that’s what most cops do you write it from day one to to the last day and she says nobody cares about the academy in your first chapter so we have to grab them she’s like that’s that’s the story we’re going to use is that one right there so that’s the literally the lead off to the book that’s smart because yeah that way they get to like I actually like it when stories do that like or movies when they start with like an action filed scene and then they give you the backstory of the man that was just involved or what let up to him what led in his life led up to this moment where he had to do this heroic thing that that is that is a smart way to tell a story I think absolutely um Paul I’ve had you on for almost an hour just um a couple more questions uh and then we’re I want to talk about the book more RAM one um can you tell us a uh a positive heartwarming encounter I know it do sound like you were in the specialty for that but do you have one so I yeah it’s it’s both um I had a partner killed the line of duty in 2003 but before that we had this call which it’s what it’s a top 10 cop moment we’re in a crappy trailer park um and it was a k a call for a child that’s out of control you know you get those all the time and there’s really not much cops can do so you know Jason and I get there Jason Pratt and and the dude that answered the door was right out of Deliverance man he was like 65 hair down in the middle of his back he’s wearing um overalls with no shirt can you hear the banjos well here we go so he’s 65 about 350 pounds and 50 of it was his beer gut and he’s hairy a hairy body so again no shirt so there’s you know his back hair and his arm hair and his shoulder hairs all coming out of his uh out of his overalls and he’s like yeah my kids’s out of control so we get in and here’s the seven-year-old crumb snatcher running around being out of control coming over to the cops grabbing on our our holsters and our bels and poking us and prodding us and he’s you know he’s high on Mountain Dew it seemed like and um then his wife walks around the corner and there’s zero reason to even describe the wife because she’s with this dude right and uh and you know my kid’s out of control he was actually a very nice guy um and I I had training in that stuff before I was a cop I worked at a home for troubled youth and my education is in um human services so anyways I look over in the corner and there’s a banjo and I’m like man this might get good and so I’m thinking you know this call is going to turn into a normal call to where we’re gonna say our BS and leave we’re going to get called back 30 minutes later which happens all the time so I’m thinking how can we prevent getting called back and so I’m thinking all right if we let this kid come out and get in our Cruiser and flip the lights and Sirens a little bit you know and push some buttons maybe we can win them over for the night and tomorrow it’s going to be somebody else’s call yeah and so I’m like okay cool um so I asked the guy I’m like hey bud can you play that banjo he’s like hell yeah I can he got all proud I’m like all right cool you know in my mind what I’m thinking is we’re gonna we’re gonna barter with this guy if you play the banjo for us we’ll take your kid out and let him sit in the cruiser and flip the lights and sirens and hit the air horn all that kind of stuff and you know turn the steering wheel act like he’s driving and will win for the night and uh so I tell Jason my partner I said hey here’s what we’re going to do he’s going to play the banjo we’re going to we’re going to get out of here we’re going to take the kid in the car and do this he’s like cool and so then it struck me I’m like this is guaranteed probably going to be the only opportunity in my career to ask a banjo player if he can play deliverance and not only played Deliverance but looked like he was in the movie yeah and so he picked up he picks up the and so he picks up the banjo to play said hey bud last part of the request can you play the can you play the lick from from the movie Deliverance he says hell yeah he can and so I’ll pause there real quick um the sergeant we had at the time Kurt coonie was he was um down for these these types of antics on the job he was a street cop to his core he would drop in on your calls if you thought they sounded interesting not to micromanage and leas but he was a street cop to his core and so the timing couldn’t it was God timing it couldn’t mean any better the guy picks up the banjo to start playing Ser Sergeant cozie walks in to check on his his team of malonian Pratt and here’s this guy that looks like he’s an extra from the movie Deliverance and he’s a massive massive dude he picks up the banjo and before as Kurt’s walking in the door Sergeant cozie you hear and he he the scene is unfolding in front of him and and s’s like boys what’s going on in here and uh man we laughed and laughed and uh took the kid out Made made and good on our promise let him flip the lights and Sirens you know um the guy was thankful we we got out of there and the kid was thankful and we didn’t have to go back that night um yeah and that was like May of 2003 and then Tai was killed in September 2003 but man what a what a laugh we had on that and it was you know the top 10 memory of of the police career you know and you know we didn’t do anything wrong you know we didn’t arrest anybody um it was just a fun night and you know it’s hard is to lose guy you know I got when you lose Partners you have you get Stories the stories like that get you know get told more often you know and yeah um you relish those moments you know and it was uh yeah that was that was a funny moment in my mind it was funny I’m but I’m also down for goofy stuff like that so it was uh that was a top 10 fun moment Paul that that’s one of the best ones I’ve heard that is unbelievable that’s like you couldn’t you couldn’t uh like I say all time you can’t make it up right it actually happened I’m like holy smokes this is awesome now can you make your wife squeal like a pig Force while you play yeah I mean that would have been the I forgot damn it let me go back in time and do that part of yeah it was uh it was too good to be true it’s so funny too that you like the guy looks the way he does he’s self-aware probably and then and he’s actually learned the song from Deliverance I mean I guess maybe that’s an old folk Banjo song that every banjo player knows but U I don’t know if they wrote that for the movie or not but um that’s just everything about that story is incredible and the fact that the kid could actually be calmed down with the cruiser lights and siren enough for you guys could just leave perfect put a bow on it you know yeah you know we’re like whatever who cares if the neighbors complain we’re flashing light s we’re getting out of here and uh hopefully for the for the night we don’t have to come back so it worked out perfectly yeah what a memory dude that’s unbelievable thank you for sharing that um last question for you Paul uh and I wish you told me it’s Maloney that’s how you say it right yeah that’s all right all right yeah Maloney you’re very the Italian version yeah very polite and humble you probably didn’t want to correct me but I’m the worst at pronouncing things Maloney um so one of the most popular questions we have is um listeners who are thinking about being a cop or on the fence or maybe are in backgrounds or about to start Academy um they hear you guys tell your stories and it inspires them so what advice would you give to new officers or candidates about being a police officer a I hope you do it I it’s a it’s an amazing career um dangerous yes but we have to have good people that are cops right we have to hold the line and so advice to them is uh keep yourself grounded um you know you have to have another life outside of being a cop don’t don’t give up on all your non-op friends um in fact find more of them stay true to your to your true north compass You Know It uh you can see a lot over a career and it can be tough and you can put on this hard outer shell of of you know kind of being angry and um you know don’t allow that you know do the job right it’s it’s a noble profession you know don’t don’t listen to what the media says that you know the the the fraction of cops who do stuff wrong is so remarkably small it’s insane yeah um it’s it’s a really Noble profession that we need if if we don’t have cops our country is done I mean that’s it you know I have cop friends that say I’ll never let my kid be a cop it’s like dude somebody had to storm Normandy right I mean somebody had a storm the Omaha Beach right it’s it’s a different animal but somebody has to put on the badge and and keep evil at Bay and if we don’t our country is just finished and and uh so you know just realize that it’s it’s the long game it’s not the short game and keep your faith in your family and your friends and uh do the job right and uh make your community proud absolutely words of wisdom brother I love that perfect I what you said there too about um uh the small percentage of cops like of course this is never talked about really in the media but it’s like being a becoming a cop or a a you know in any form local state City Federal um the background’s insane like they’re it’s very they’re very careful with the background people do get through or people change on the job and can make mistakes or or or become bad but as professions go it has an incredibly incredibly low percentage of um bad apples like people don’t realize that like police the percentage that police go bad is much lower than like most professions and because of the background and how careful places are it’s just but it’s a numbers game if you have almost a million cops in the country well yeah they’re they’re human beings there’s going to be there’s going to be some problems but it as a profession it does quite well on paper with um uh you know malpractice for lack of better words so that that was absolutely absolutely you know your rest of plumber doesn’t make the news right there’s no reason to put the fact on the that you rested a plumber or an electrician for something um it’s extremely low percentage uh but it happens and the again the reason happens you said it right because they’re human beings human beings have the ability to screw up everything oh yeah you have a perfectly good thing and you put humans in it they’re going to screw it up somehow you know and uh to include law enforcement there’s there’s there is some bad apples you know very very few um but that’s that’s what makes the news so yeah be the good in the world is what you need to be be the good cop in the world absolutely I try man every night I lie down and I go through it with God I go all right what did I do today what do I need to what do I need to confess it’s like you know um all right brother let’s talk more about the book uh it it’s getting fantastic reviews um I love the name Ram one did you get that nickname right away or was that after you bashed in your like 500th door you know uh it’s it’s actually the the position of our primary breacher we call it Ram one and then Ram 2 is the assistant breacher right so um it’s actually the position and in my SWAT time um I served like 900 and some warrants and I would bet you 750 of those 900 times I was the primary breacher you know so soon that you know because as they’re going through the roles you know Maloney Ram one Jones Ram 2 Smith defense one um you know so just kind of became synonymous synonymous Maloney Ram one and so now guys started jokingly calling me that um but but to come to the title of the book man I fought it I wanted to call it something else and my editor kept telling me you’re dumb this is this is the title of your book so I realized you know if I’m paying an editor I should probably listen to them you know I had a different version of my mind and you know I had some of the partying gifts when I retired you know had Ram run monikered on it by my buddies like okay maybe it’s a sign I should probably listen to people so yeah that’s that’s uh how that came to be yeah heck yeah I can tell you look like a Ram one I can just tell by your shoulders and your neck you’re probably a pretty big dude yeah that was that was I was built for that job and I love it you know I was I was so lucky Steve that between gang and narcotics and regular investigations minus SWAT or or to include SWAT I did like 22 2300 search War so I I got to Ram over a, doors in my career and I I loved being the ram guy that was just my thing um so it’s kind of just befitting that that would be the title of the book absolutely you ever work with the wall banger I’ve heard of it I’m I’m not familiar very much with it though Sandy wall invented it he he was on the podcast he uh he came in and talked about it it’s pretty interesting I check it out yeah I guess it’s some some kind of device to to open things up but um brother it was such an honor to have you where can people get the book is Amazon the best place Amazon is the best place yeah all right man I really appreciate you coming on man um just mind-blowing stories and uh the book looks fantastic 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