K9 and Interdiction – Sgt. Kenny Williams

This is things police see first and accounts with your host Steve Gold. Welcome to the podcast that interviews acted and retired police officers about their most intense, bizarre, and sometimes humorous moments on the Jorb. It is I, excuse me, it is I, Old Gingerface, here with you as always, guys. Thank you for being here. Thank you for for listening and thank you for checking out the podcast. And I appreciate uh all the new listeners and people binge listening um to the show. And the whole point of the show if you are new is to hear the men and women of law enforcement tell their stories from the street unedited, how they uh live them so you can gain a better appreciation for what it is that these men and women actually do. And I guarantee you the stories will um knock your socks off. They’re they’re insane. They’re uh I’m a cop. I’ve been a copy uh almost 19 years and um uh the stories are just they’re so different by region and there’s international guests on here too that have like a whole a whole different way of dealing with things. Um I just I just think it’s uh I just no credit to me, but I just think it’s so freaking interesting hearing these stories. They’re freaking wild. Um so I’m glad you’re here with us and today’s guest excited to have him. He’s got a um actually a pretty pretty sweet Instagram following. I think he’s got over 18,000 people following him. He’s a sergeant currently active in a Northwest Indiana agency. He’s a K9 handler and specializes inter in interdiction. He had he hosts the Beyond the Barrel podcast and he’s a co-founder of the Justice Academy. Without further ado, let me bring on the great Kenny Williams. Kenny, I don’t know about great, but I appreciate you having me. It’s an honor. Good to see you, man. Yeah, I we were talking before the show and uh I kind of stumbled upon you um just randomly. You were like I like I was saying, I I subscribe to a bunch of different YouTube channels and I get notified when they go live and stuff like that. And um I just so happened to be in a spot where I had reception and I could actually watch and you were on there. I thought you were like one of the co-hosts or whatever, but I guess you were a guest for it. But you were on the anti-hero podcast and I said, “Uh, hey, maybe this guy will come on.” And you responded, so here we are. Yeah. Yeah. I was I was a guest. Um I went down there and interviewed Brent and then for my podcast and then they did the live and they were talking about a bunch of military stuff on the live and I’m like clueless cuz I’m not in the military, but at least the podcast when I was on it, we talked a lot about interdiction and stuff. So the podcast is good. The live I probably said seven words in two hours. I feel you, brother. I know. Sometimes I see that I’m like, man, why did I go to college? I should have went to the military. There’s so many so many it’s a whole another uh uh venue of stories I’d have, you know. No, I’m the same way. I um Yeah, I almost joined the military after 911 and my grandparents convinced me not to go and I landed on law enforcement to kind of meet in the middle, I guess. Yeah. Instead of just getting it over with this quick stint, you decided to have a torturous life for 30 years. Yeah, exactly. Good for you, man. So, it looks like um you are uh pretty serious copper when it comes to like um um street coping it up. Like you’re you’re getting out there, you’re teaching people how to like get into cars, what to look for. Like it it reading about the Justice Academy kind of reminded me a little bit of um street cop training. I don’t know if they’re still around, but I remember seeing them. They came out to mass a few times and I think he got like sued or I don’t know what happened with street cop, but the founder Dennis came on um came on the show at one point. Um, but is it similar type of stuff like you’re just teaching guys what to look for, how to how to find stuff? Yeah, it’s it’s for me anyways, it’s based on like the human behavior type aspect of it. And then, uh, my business partner is an attorney and an active law enforcement officer. So, he teaches a lot of case law stuff. And um thank God I have him as a as a friend too cuz if I have questions when it comes to like case law and stuff, he’s always like very responsive to me and and I cover it on a very minute like level in my class. Uh and only on a federal level because I’m traveling I think I’ve taught in like maybe 40 46 states something like that some and um Wow. to dabble in interdiction and then try to teach you the case law that goes with it would be very very cumbersome uh in an 8 hour class. eight. Yeah. So, I I covered I touch on like, you know, like Rodriguez versus US and Sharp versus US and a couple, you know, like case laws about uh building reasonable suspicion and and what case law you can bounce then your case law off of to see on the federal level if it matches up or not. Yeah, that’s cool, man. It is it is a real art too because um in my career I’ve worked with guys that are just like innately maybe interested so they educate themselves but you can tell when you work with a guy who knows this stuff because they will just get like double triple the arrest you get they just they know what to look for like uh a buddy of mine in this area was um when I first moved out to this area and started being a copper out here in Western Mass. It was like it was almost like um every single night he had an arrest and these are like like small towns and I’m like what the hell is this guy doing? But that’s what it was. He like he dedicated himself to educating himself on what to look for and he said he told me he’s like I will sit on the side of the state highway for five hours until I find the right one. I’m like damn dude that’s dedication. Yeah. Yeah, for me, I have ADD, so being able to sit somewhere for 5 hours is almost impossible. But I can get up to about an hour and a half or two hours before I I just make a stop based on some maybe some, you know, maybe it’s not the perfect car, but it has some reactions to my presence and and there’s an infraction, I’ll stop it just to stay in like the right mindset and right routine of going through the whole stop and all that stuff. But if I had the patience and ability to sit for longer, I definitely would. Yeah. Yeah, I’m with you, brother. I mean, I I worked at an agency that had a four-lane undivided highway that went through that we had fatalss on and stuff. So, the agency really um heavily encouraged us to do motor vehicle stops, but a lot of us got into that um kind of like uh worker drone mentality where like you were just doing speeding. So, like you never it was like speeding citation or warning, goodbye, goodbye, you know what I So we some of the guys that were real hammers or girls um had the like a obscene amount of stops for the year and like very few arrests out of the stops and it was like oh because and then that’s in in the same time frame that the that class started to be offered like beyond the stop and like you know don’t just look for the speeding or the inspection sticker or the decal on the registration like try to it’s okay to talk to them and try to try to read them and and people will tell you surprisingly will tell you a lot more than you can imagine. Um when you pull more for speeding and that was kind of like getting people out of that cycle it’s difficult you know. I mean it’s just human nature. We I’ve been brought up not to like ask these prying questions that now as a cop you have to ask. So now you do it on a traffic stop where it’s really hard to try to write someone a ticket and then befriend them to see if they’re involved in moving contraband. You know what I’m saying? So, a lot of my stops are warnings and I’m let them know from the get-go and I’m not going to resend that and look like a liar. So, you know, if I tell you you’re getting a warning, you’re getting a warning and that should bring you back down to calm. Like, a lot of fear is a fear of the unknown. So, you get stopped. You’re like, I got to pay a $300 ticket or I got to come back to Indiana and I’m I’m a few states away. Something like that. So, if I tell you right off the jump street that like there’s no court, there’s no fine. and you’re just getting a warning that fear of the unknown should be down. If it stays elevated or continues to elevate as we’re, you know, progressing through that traffic stop. Those are the stuff that we’re looking for. Yeah, that’s interesting. Yeah, it is tough too, brother. I’m I’m 45 now and um you know, when I was 25, writing somebody 300 bucks for speeding was like could care less. I think just I think as as a man as you age, you you I don’t know if it’s because your testosterone drops, but you just become more empathetic. For me, there’s always a season going on. Ah, Christmas is in two months. Ah, it’s around Thanksgiving. I can’t write this guy a ticket. You know what I mean? Like, I never want to hit people in the wallet and um unless they, you know, they really need it like a habitual traffic offender or whatever, you’re like, “All right, well, I don’t feel bad about this one, but I’m just like so much softer than I used to be.” Yeah. My agency is pretty amazing. We’re all about I mean as a overhaul as a whole it’s kind of all about compliance unless you have someone that you know is suspended or something along those lines or has you know multitude of tickets and still not learning but yeah for the most part my agency is about compliance. So we stop you once you have never had a ticket you’re speeding just don’t do it again and we’ll be good to go. And that’s kind of I don’t know if it’s the motto but we were pretty empathetic. So I learned that as a young cop because I was only 25 when I got hired and I was kind of the same way. I didn’t really understand like the world financial system, you know what I mean? I’m still living with my grandparents and didn’t have my own house. And now you look at it and I’m like, man, $300 for a ticket and what you could get with that. And if you’re struggling to make your rent payment and now I just hit you with $300. Yeah. I I get a lot more empathetic as time goes on, too. Yeah. Yeah. Um I’ve been thinking about it. Do you know uh Dominic Io at all? I do know um I don’t know him on a personal level of him, but I do know he’s got a pretty big following. He he came on the show. I I interviewed him. Um really fun interview. Um interesting guy, nice guy. Very generous guy. Like he he um you know like boosted my show a bunch of times on his big channel and just a nice guy. But he’s one of those guys that like um he says provocative things and I believe he believes them. But he’s had me thinking about one recently where he was like um he was talking about pulling somebody over for speeding and then like it’s not our job as cops to um be judge jury executioner and like how they address you or how they talk to you should have zero impact on whether you write them a citation or not. And it like I’ve been thinking about a lot because it kind of goes against what they taught in academy. They taught us like well um like tickets like that you have discretion and the in the when you decide to write a ticket it’s because you are using your discretion to decide this person doesn’t get it or they’re not getting the message. So to me I always related that to like I mean I pulled people over and right off the bat they told me to go f myself or I’ve had like a retired a a kid of a retire of a retired or passed away New York cop flip his dad’s badge out the window and tell me this is a real badge. whatever you have on your chest is whatever. And I’m like, of course, I wrote him a ticket. But Dominic’s saying like, well, that was, you know, you shouldn’t have based it on that. But to me, I this what I’ve been thinking about, but to me, it’s like, well, that that’s like blatant disregard for the law and and doesn’t respect the law at all to the point where he doesn’t know me even as a person and he’s willing to do that. To me, that’s like someone I would tag. But he’s saying, you can’t count any of that stuff. And it makes me think like, well then where does discretion come in? Just the driver history or you know what I mean? How do you feel about that? Or do you have any feelings on that? I know I’m just springing this. No. Yeah. Yeah. I mean I I can see both ends of the spectrum there, but I I I saw the video too. And I think my interpretation of what he’s saying is like if you’re going to go up there and you’re going to say, “Hey, listen, like this is what you did wrong. You know, just correct this behavior.” And they’re cooperative or whatever. And then they become a jerk. now you’ve already kind of established that like baseline like I’m not going to give you a ticket and then they became a jerk. He’s like now you can’t resend that and be like okay here’s a ticket now cuz you were mean to me or a jerk to me or or however you want to word it. And I think what he’s trying to say is like we should ultimately be the professional in that situation no matter what the setting is. So and I for me I don’t think you should have that preconceived notion whether you’re getting a ticket or warning as a cop like or whether you’re giving a ticket or warning as you approach. It should be like based on a multitude of factors and and discretion I don’t know comes into play at some point. Um I think it just needs to be more consistent. If you always write someone for going 35 over the speed limit then you always write someone for going 35 over. Um unless in my mind there’s like a medical emergency or you know like but see I don’t have those hard lines like everything every stop is independent. I don’t like say no matter what if you’re going 35 over you’re getting a ticket. If I stop you and you’re on your way to the hospital because someone’s sick or ill or dying or, you know, whatever the case may be, I’m not I won’t give you a ticket. Like, you know what I’m saying? I don’t know. So, there there’s that empathy portion of it. I I go up to that stop not knowing whether I’m going to give you a ticket or a warning. Yeah. Yeah. I’m the same way. And that’s the rub, isn’t it? Like, you can’t nobody society doesn’t want it written, believe me, that we shall issue a ticket. It’s much better if cops have discretion because the vast majority of cops are just normal dudes with empathy and if if you if we can tell you’re being genuine and there really is an issue or there and you were legitimately sorry or didn’t mean to or whatever you have some kind of like you got the you get it like you understand I screwed up like if you took that away then it would be a nightmare. No one nobody wants that. Yeah. And I think we’re already cops as a general society doesn’t like us that much anyway. So if there’s a hard line where we have to write everyone a ticket for this specific thing, I think that it’s going to be even worse for us. So I I I hate I would hate that. I love the ability to have discretion as long as you’re using it correctly. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. It’s funny. We are I mean we are by design like not likable. It’s just the way like people I’ll hear young cops be like why they they love the fire department. Like, dude, we’re the hall monitors. Like, no one likes the hall monitor. No one likes to be told. No one likes a mirror held to themselves and told you’re doing it something wrong. Think about your own life. When someone tells you’re doing something wrong, your first impulse, even if you catch it, is to be like, “F you.” Like, no one wants to know they’re doing something wrong. So, just just innately being a cop, is like a it’s an unlikable profession. Um that way hopefully people are there are a lot of people out there uh capable of critical thinking and they can get past that. But that is a lot of people’s impulses and that is exactly why the fire department is the good guys and we’re not like they’re not unless you’re it’s the fire inspector and he’s you know busting your balls for your fire alarms. Different story but that’s just it’s just kind of the way it is and that they told us that in academy too. said, “You’re not going to get pats on the back. Like, it’s it’s impossible to imbue this onto someone who’s new, but like just wait five or 10 years. Like, you’ll get it. Like, this is not You really have to like it is a calling. You have to want to do this job and you have to be comfortable with not you’re not going to get a whole lot of attabo along the way.” Yeah. Yeah, you’re Yeah, you’re definitely not. It’s we um me and one of my buddies who’s a cop in Indiana too, we created this like little like um golden pig award because that we like we like we once a month we’ll sit down and break down like three or four live videos of cops doing the right thing that don’t get recognized because you could do everything right and it’s rare even in in a very stressful situation or you know all these types of things that that you’ll get recognized for doing good police work when you should be getting recognized for it. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I tell my hat goes off to the leaders out there um that recognize their officers and go out of their way to kind of highlight those situations, you know? That’s that’s great. I love how like some agencies have award ceremonies every year and they get commendations and for things that were done well. That’s I think that’s important. Like I think it falls by the wayside with some a lot of the smaller places, but I think it um it means a lot. It’s a statement to the officers, to your to the to the crew, and also to the public, you know. Yeah. No, I agree. I I think awards can get overdone, but I also think that awards are necessary. So, there’s got to be like that happy happy median, I guess. Yeah, absolutely. Kenny, can you take us way back to um a young officer Williams um on the job to your first hot call? the first call that like gave you an adrenaline dump or something in the beginning of your career if you can’t remember like the first first. Yeah, I trying to think back, you know, 18 years or whatever is kind of difficult, but I do remember uh this has always stuck with me. Anytime that I run like lights and sirens um as a young officer, I’d always get tunnel vision like I knew it. And then through the academy, there was a guy that said like the way he breaks his tunnel vision, he just kind of looks out the passenger and driver window so he’s not just so focused. And that’s that’s one thing that I still practice today if I have to run lights and sirens is like break that tunnel vision and look out the passenger, you know, every so often passenger and driver window. Not like egregiously cuz I’m you’re running lights and sirens, but like instead of just focusing straight ahead, kind of paying attention to your peripherals. That’s the only thing that I can really remember. I think early on in my career that I would always get tunnel vision and the inability to break it for me or even realize that I had it. kind of like the range like you go to shoot like when you’re instructing somebody you tell them like you know look left look right like try to physically stop yourself from having double tunnel vision they say it works if you can if you train like that hopefully that’s what you do in a in a shooting so same idea with running lights and siren just you’re physically moving your body and hopefully the brain follows yeah it makes sense I mean yeah we same thing with shooting like you said we do that now where we’re always like uh side to side and we’ll Uh then range guys sometimes will be behind us and we’ll check to make sure like can you hold up a fingers to then we have to tell them how many fingers we have up and things like that. But again, same concept. Yeah. Yeah. for me like um I I had the I kind of wigged out the most at um medical calls like cuz we’re a lot of times first and that always and we have a basic level of first responder trained you know like I’m not an EMT or be and I never wanted to go beyond that but when I was new like I always like when someone’s dead and the family’s like screaming around them and you’re there you’re the first one that those calls really stuck with me the most like those always it just freaked me out cuz it’s just this it’s just it’s just this panic from the family and you’re kind of just like going through the basic life support that you know waiting waiting for the good guys to show up and take over. Exactly. Yeah. I mean I I still to this day am not a huge fan of seeing dead bodies like natural like not not even like traumatic deaths just naturally dead bodies. Like I don’t I don’t I don’t like it. I don’t watch scary movies, whatever. Like I just literally do not like it anymore. And I don’t know if I’ve always been that way. I mean because before you’re a cop, like how many dead bodies do you actually see? But ever since I’ve been a cop, like the only way I was able to cope with that is like looking him at like as their Mr. Burns from the Simpsons. Like that is a way and I know that probably sounds like I’m insensitive or not empathetic. I am, but like I don’t want to be going through the stress that you’re going through that when I’m trying to calm you down in that sad situation or just give you some empathy back. So the way that I can wrap my mind around it is I just look at Mr. burns from the Simpsons. And that’s kind of how I don’t correlate it to an actual dead body laying there. Yeah, we have to find ways to cope with it like that. My my least favorite thing is when um the body’s not cold, it’s not doesn’t have rigor, but it’s also not like real hot and it looks real dead. And then it’s like you have to make the decision like you start CPR, but you know in your heart of hearts that this is performative for people who are there like they’re dead dead, but they’re not like cold to the touch. It’s not like an unattended, right? Those for me I hate. I I hate I’ve had because I’ve had like, you know, fire personnel be like, “Yeah, no, we probably wouldn’t, you know, but I’m like I I don’t I don’t know.” And and it’s and it’s horrible. It’s horrible. And I remember in CPR when I first took it, they were like, um, you know, you shouldn’t hear any ribs breaking. It’s like, that’s BS because um I’ve I have felt the whole entire like breastplate floating like, you know what I mean? you’re doing CPR the way you’re supposed to do it and like the they’re just they’re just getting banged up. And then I always thought, well, maybe maybe we’re all doing CPR too too heavy. But the firefighters, the EMTs and paramedics do it the same way. And then when they when they brought the Lucas machine on the scene, I was like, damn, that thing’s pushing their heart against their spine. Like, if you think you were doing compressions too shallow, watch the Lucas machine. That thing is ramrodding these people. I mean, it looks like it’s killing them to me. Yeah. No, I agree. And I don’t know why they would say you wouldn’t I’ve never had that not happen where you’re doing CBR and but I guess again I’m use it’s typically elderly. So, right. I don’t know if it’s, you know, like brittle bones and that type of thing. I don’t know. But yeah, I’ve never not had bones break or whatever that noise is. Yeah, I’m sure there was a bunch of precursor to this lesson I didn’t listen to in class. I just heard that you should never I just got enough information to pass the test. Um, all right, brother. Um, can you tell us about a strange or bizarre thing you’ve dealt with? Um, like funny or serious? Doesn’t matter. Yeah, doesn’t matter. Let it rip. All right. Uh, early in my So, my city’s kind of on the cusp of like very urbanized and like bunch of neighborhoods and then farm fields. Um, so I, you know, have never been on on a farm, like none of that stuff. But then we would go to calls specifically the one I remember I was and probably a year on maybe even less than a year and there was a pig running around a gas station and uh I didn’t know what pigs do but I didn’t want it to run in the road so I was chasing it for an extended period of time. I finally caught it and unbeknownst to me that pigs make the highest squaltching noise ever when they get caught and then I let it go and we chased it for another hour and a half. It was that that was a good one. So, like, thank God we didn’t have video camera or body cam then because that would be uh that would have a lot of views at this point. You guys chased that thing for that long. Oh, yeah. Oh, just going in and out of the road. No, it was like in the parking lot. We didn’t want it to go on the road. So, there was like two of us there and we just kind of like coraled it and it was it was a mini pig. It was like it came off a trailer with like a bunch of big pigs and there was a little one in there, I guess. I don’t know. and like it was fast and it would run in circles and we just could not capture it at all. Um there’s a picture somewhere. I’ll try to find it. But yeah, that’s that’s the only documentation we have. There’s no there’s no video of it. Thank god. Yeah, because that would definitely that the that is a memerich environment. A bunch of cops chasing a pig. A piglet. For sure. Your trainee got away. Get him. You know, something like that. Yeah, for sure. Dude, yeah, we have animal issues where I’m at and um I’m always I’m always touching back with dispatch to try to Did you get a hold of the owner? Like, do we know who this owner is? Because I’m not even I don’t even like um dealing with uh any like like horses, dude. They’re so big. Like, I know guys that are comfortable with them, they’ll just grab them by the rains, but not me, man. Like, like I’ll just put my arms out so like you said, so they don’t go in the road, but I don’t want to touch a horse. Like I don’t there’s they’re huge. They’re huge. Size of a moose. I’m not going to screw with that thing. Um yeah, that’s funny, man. Do you guys have a lot of loose uh animal calls? Do you live do you police like in a rural area? Yeah, I mean there there’s some um now my current assignment I mean we used to get like cattle on the road sometimes and stuff and that’s what’s weird is because it’s such a it’s like on the I don’t know on the cusp of like a very like urbanized area and rural area. So, like we have a lot of traffic because people are trying to get to their homes and stuff. So, then you’ll see cows and goats and horses and we used to have this bull that would get out and that thing was nuts. Um, hell no. Yeah. Like, so like it it’s not completely uncommon. Um, but for me it was uncommon for sure when it happened when I had to chase a pig. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so in Northwest Indiana, what is the number one um when you’re doing interdiction, what is the number one uh drug you guys are seeing? What’s the biggest problem? Right now it’s probably fentanyl or some designer drugs maybe like seen a lot ketamine for the first time in my life recently. Um but yeah ma mainly mainly like the the opiates. The opiates and when you when you get in um is it relatively easy to flip somebody or have them work with you? Depends on how much you have and it depends on who they’re working for. um more likely than not if they have a large amount and they’re not working with a family network like you know like a generationally like my dad or you know I would be cinching on my brother or my dad or something like that. Uh the larger amounts they they seem to talk a lot more. Um smaller amounts not so much. It’s interesting. I mean Indiana is a very strict state when it comes to drugs. Um I think like over 28 grams you’re looking at like a level two felony and that’s the same as if you have 10 kilos. Um so yeah, so like you know what I mean? There’s not a lot of differentiation in there for time wise and um yeah, it’s interesting. Um but usually if they have more uh if they have a couple kilos and they’re not working within a family, they’re they’re more willing to tell us a story whether it’s all true or after or whatever it is, but they’re telling us something, right? The DAS work with you guys pretty good about, you know, I’m sure you don’t make them any promises, but um the DAs are good with helping these people out or work stuff off. I mean, yeah, if if they’re, you know, ultimately trying to work your way up and get the bigger fish. 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And for you with the K9, do you take the dog I mean obviously how often you take the dog off and go around the car? It depends. Um, if I, you know, it depends on if I’m called to a scene and someone else initiated traffic stop and they’re requesting a dog. But I would say, I don’t know, maybe three times a month I use my dog. Um, you would be amazed at how many times people just give you consensus search. if you’re um if you have the ability to talk, you’re not a robot, you’re like listening to what they’re saying and and you’re empathetic and you’re having like active conversation. Um I think that you can befriend people very fast during a traffic stop and for whatever reason it seems that you know that they’re relatively confident or I don’t know want to be cooperative and they’ll give you consent. Like they think they have like a good enough hide and that you’re not going to find it anyways, that type of thing. that or yeah I think it’s just and as society if they’re not like a hardened criminal like most people want to cooperate with law enforcement to an extent you know like that’s kind of how everyone’s raised in society like you know the cops are the good guys for the most part and and and now they might be in a bad situation where they’re you know they they’re running a a substance that’s legal illegal because they fell on hard times or something like that but that doesn’t make them a bad person. So they were raised in the right, you know, family that has good morals and, you know, they they want to cooperate law enforcement. I think overall that’s kind of why they often give you consent to search if you’re not a robotic cop and you can just be a human with them. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Do you What is the number one or is there a number one tell for fentanyl trafficking? No, I can’t. So I mean maybe other guys are better than me. I don’t know, but I can’t I can’t necessarily tell what you have in the car. Um, as we’re going through the stop, I might be able to tell that you’re being deceptive and you’re lying about something. But until I start searching it, it could be anything from fraudulent merchandise, stolen merchandise to guns to drugs to money to to um you just committed a crime. Uh, I don’t know, we’ve caught some people that were wanted for murder um had committed a murder and we had them in custody prior to like a a bolo coming out like that evening. So, like it just depends. I mean, you me personally, I can’t tell you what’s going to be in the car. I can just kind of tell if they’re being deceptive about whatever they’re, you know, you know, like they’re not they’re not they’re not being upfront and honest about what’s going on. I um when I first moved to this area and became a cop, I stopped a guy and like a Honda Accord and it was like super clean. It was like a early 2000s on the core, but the inside was like impeccable. Like mint and he was a major to me. Like he got out of the car, he wouldn’t get back in the car. He was standing in the row with me. I almost arrested him, order him back in the car, finally went in the car, um gave him a citation, and then I found out later that um from some of the other local guys that oh yeah, he’s a you know, he’s basically being watched. He’s a one of the local drug dealer guys. And what they when I told them where we were, they go, “Yeah, he probably just dropped off, so he knows number one, he hates cops, but if he’s holding, he’s a lot different than when he drops.” So you got him after he dropped and he felt like giving you a hard time, so that’s what he did. And I noticed the car was like immaculate. Is that something like you look for? or like if the car is like like shouldn’t be so clean, but it is and the person doesn’t seem like they would keep a car like that. You know what I mean? Yeah. I mean I for me I like to see the cleaner cars. Um and simple plain jane but like very wellkept. Um if that makes sense. You know what I’m saying? I’m not looking for some flashy car that’s going to come by. It’s it’s trying to blend in with you know the local traffic and whatever that commuter traffic is. as far and as far as the inside, I like to see keep see that being clean. Um I don’t like a lot of trash and those types of things for guys that are moving a considerable amount of weight. Um just my luck, I usually have like users when they keep their car kind of trashy and stuff. Um that’s just my, you know, my personal experience. So, but when it comes to outside, it just kind of depends too. Like if we like for me, yes, I do not like seeing dirty cars, but if you take that same car and you put it somewhere like down south in like Texas or Oklahoma in the oil fields, we’ve seen where they are coming up and, you know, their their car looks like it if it’s the part of like a work truck or something along those lines and they’re trying to blend in with that demographic vehicle. So, it just kind of depends. Gotcha. Yeah. The users are a whole different story. We had one of our guys did a stop um I think for speeding or something and the guy had his crack pipe right in the AC vent cooling it down, you know, just just totally forgot it was there and the cop’s like, “What’s going on here?” He’s like, “Oh, it was getting real hot when I was driving.” Dude, I had a guy uh I had a guy um had a pound and a half of heroin under his shirt and a a shopping bag and he left it there and then when he got out of the car he just handed it to me. Like literally just pulled it out of his shirt and handed me a pound and a half of heroin. Um because I guess I I don’t I don’t know. Like it I it’s the one and only time but I was like floored by it the whole time. Wow. You’re like this can’t be real. Yeah. I was like, you know, and then he start then he after he hands it to me, he starts like sweating and stuttering and all this stuff. And I’m like, what’s this? And then he just like broke down. But I was like, man, a pound and a half of heroin. Couldn’t like leave it in the car or put it in the trunk when he picked it up. Like you just are going to hand it to the cop when he stops you. So be it. Worst drug runner ever. Whatever you do, don’t get out and hand it to them. Yeah, that’s a bad idea. Unless you want to go to jail, I guess. I don’t know. That’s funny. Um, Kenny, can you tell us about your most intense or terrifying call you’ve been on? So far, there was a call early in my career, maybe I don’t know, maybe 5 years on or so. Um, our detectives were handling a different like or a homicide subject and they were doing a search warrant and we had a call. Um, I used to work with this lady at um, my job prior to being the police and um, you know, I become the cop, whatever. And I know that she was going through some domestic things with um her ex-husband or ex-boyfriend or the father of her son or something along those lines, but there was some connection. And um I know that she had like a a protection order against him and he was supposedly living in Kentucky. Well, the neighbor had called when I was leaving the gym and I heard the radio pick up and it said something about this house and they saw someone like climbing in the back window. I knew everyone was tied up. Um so I had my like SWAT vest in the car and my SWAT rifle. So I’m literally in like gym shorts, t-shirt, SWAT vest, rifle. That’s all I have. And then two other guys were able to break away. And we search this entire house and we get to the basement. And again, there’s only two of us clearing because one has to have the door to watch our back. So, it’s very slow and like he knows exactly where we’re at or anything. So, we go and we clear the whole basement. And right in the middle, for some reason, there was just a bunch of dirty clothes. And I was like, “This is weird.” Like the lady, why would this old lady lie about this dude climbing in the window? Um, so that was the very last spot we checked and I just jam my rifle in it and he just started screaming. Um, but we were able to get him in. So, like I we found him and we were able to get him in custody. He had a gun on him and it was loaded, but he had one bullet in his like fifth pocket. And I always I always think like what was he going to do to the woman or even that kid if they came home? And it almost looks like he was setting himself up for like some type of murder suicide by keeping that one in his little fifth pocket. But that was a very intense one because we knew he was in there. There’s no way. And like we’re in the basement. We’ve cleared the whole house now and it’s like a pile of clothes. I’m like, “Dude, this is so weird.” It was creepy. And when we cleared it, we kind of, you know, you’re kind of going outsides and trying to clear everything. So, that was like the last spot. We already walked by walked past him. So, if he would have like jumped out with his gun or came up, I don’t know. It was I I still think about it sometimes. I don’t know what we could have done tactically any better. But um that that’s that’s one that’s and I wasn’t really in police mode at that time. You know, gym shorts, tennis shoes, SWAT vest, like and a rifle like um but yeah, that that that one that one sticks out in my mind often. Dude, it comes up in your mind. Imagine how often that lady thinks about it. She would have been in big trouble. Yeah. No. Yeah. So, I guess Yeah, that’s the win. I guess she doesn’t have to think about it. I do. Yeah. Damn, man. Did he have any any Did he tell he tell you anything what his plan was? No. Uh we turned it over to the uh detectives. I’m not really sure. I know that he went to prison. He still might be in prison for it because I there was a long ongoing thing with domestic violence and protection order and those types of things. And uh he was definitely a felon. Shouldn’t have the gun. Um those types of things. And so I he still could be in prison for all I know. Yeah, I hope so. Kenny, what kind of what kind of dog do you run? Uh my first dog was a Dutch shepherd. I’m on my second one and it is the biggest lab you’ve ever seen. I like to tell people that he’s half pit, half lab because he’s 85 pounds of solid muscle and his head’s the size of a basketball. But that’s a big one. Yeah. As far as I know, he’s a lab. It was funny cuz when we got him, uh the breeders like none of my, you know, I I give a lot of dogs to the federal government and they have to be 70 pounds. They can’t be over 70 pounds. I’m like, cool. I get him, he’s like 73 and like 3 months later he’s 80 pounds. I’m like, you are a liar. like this thing is a tank. That’s You ever work with shepherds? Uh, so my first dog was a Dutch shepherd, not a German Shepherd, but in our unit we Yeah, we’ve always had German Shepherds. We had males, Dutch shepherds, um, labs, and uh, yeah, those are I think I’ve only I think I’m Yeah, I think we only had one Dutch shepherd, but I’m not positive. I heard German Shepherds are the superior dog, I guess. I don’t know. No, I’m just kidding. I just German shepherd. I I mean they’re they are like the grandfather of police work. So I I can’t but if you look at a mal or Dutch shepherd with their agility alone I mean those videos online are insane. I’m like dude the dogs if that guy didn’t catch that dog it would have died. Oh the ones like you talking about jumping up and catching like a Yeah. Yeah. It’s insane. It’s insane that we’re they’re like they’re like cat agility. Like the the Dutch shepherd and the mouse are like dut are like uh cat agility. Like that’s how agile they are. Yeah, I mean they are an amazing dog. And what what worries me is when you go online and there’s um and I’m just scrolling reels um you know in boredom and there’ll be like some chick who bought one because it’s like they’re cool. I I don’t know. She’s like a right-wing chick and she’s like I want a a Dutch sheeperd or Malmo and um the things are it I saw one that’s like 10 weeks old. It’s showing its teeth and snapping at her. I’m like this is not the dog for you. like this dog is like he’s already charged up like he’s ready to go and you’re going to he’s going to he’s going to be the boss for sure. Yeah, you definitely uh with mine anyways you you definitely got to establish like the pecking order at a young age because if you do not they are going to run your life and it’s not going to be good like so and they are kind of weird dogs too. They’re kind of mouthy dogs. Um like I don’t know how to even describe it. um like they they’ll like almost like not bite you but almost like kind of like just put your hand in their mouth and stuff like I don’t know it’s it’s they’re will they’re like mouthy dogs compared to most dogs. It’s it’s strange how they use their mouth but um if you’ve established that like their pecking order when they’re doing that stuff it’s more like a friendly maybe some play but it’s it’s nothing vicious at that moment but if you let it run run run your life it’s it will run your life you’ll definitely be second in that pecking order. Yeah, that’s I’ve gleaned that from handlers before where it’s like there’s this whole other world of dog ownership where it’s like I you know, you don’t need to physically dominate your dog. That’s actually damaging. Um yeah, you do actually depending on the breed. Like some breeds need to be uh really physically dominated because they you need to be the alpha. Like there’s no way to like sweetheart talk your dog into convincing it that you’re the alpha. You have to put your hands on it. You have to submit submit the dog, especially at a at a Yeah. If you And if you get it at a young age and you’re able to do it at a young age, it’s way better than if you get a dog that’s three years old from the shelter that now you’re trying to do it because now it’s 70 pounds of piss and vinegar that you’re trying to, you know, make right compliant, you know, and it’s it’s not it’s it’s going to be a challenge for sure. My buddy um a friend of mine talked about going to a the school for K9 handling with the dog and there was a dog there that uh was like particularly headstrong and these are like you know this was in California. These are like a highly regarded training facility and they hung the dog. They like choked it out like the dog that they couldn’t would not submit. They legit like put its leash up over not like a branch but something and just like choked it out till it was almost maxed out and then it ended up breaking the dog and it was usable. And I was like damn dude that that’s I don’t know if I could do that. That’s pretty pretty intense. But according to these guys, I don’t know if they were old school dudes or what, but this dog had no chance of working unless it was like, you know, it got them it got the the memo and that that’s what they did. And I don’t know if that’s right or wrong. I just heard the story and I was just like, yikes. Yeah. No, I mean I if you know if I don’t know if you if you follow any of the police dogs, a lot of the dogs are coming from other countries. They’re not a lot of them are born and bred here. And I wonder if some of that is like they have to do that at a young age to break that like headstrong type thing and in other countries they don’t have like pea so in order you know what I’m saying. So like there might be that that reason that a lot of these dogs are coming from overseas because you have to do this and I guess as Americans we don’t want to see it even though if it is happening right like I don’t want to see how the sausage is made. I just want to eat it. Exactly. Yep. 100%. Yep. I don’t want to see the bolt gun go into the cow’s brain. I just want to have the steak. Um, Kenny, can you tell us about a positive or heartwarming encounter from your career? Positive or heart? You put me on the spot here. Um, man, very heartwarming. This is a tough one. Everybody struggles with it. And sometimes the heartwarming stories I get out of you guys are like only heartwarming in the lens of a police officer. It’s like So, I can tell you this one. I guess um I found out years later, but the one traffic stop I briefly talked about about uh catching a couple guys that had just killed some people in a in a city further south and they were coming back up here. Um a few years later, my wife had introduced me to um one of her friends and um they broke down as not broke down but they you know they like were thanking me because the people that ended up dead were either related to them or friends of them and I was like what a small world that you knew them and like just co-related all that stuff. So, you know, just seeing like yes, bad things happen, but being able to, you know, give them a little bit of justice and show them a little bit of whatever that looks like, but at least that they got that that justice. And then I was like, man, small world that I was able to be such a, you know, involved in that case and then actually find someone that was related to the victim’s um I don’t know, but I didn’t find that out till a couple years later. So, at the time it didn’t really register, but you know, seeing seeing their u I guess happiness um for some of the justice even though their their loved ones won’t be here. Um kind of heartwarming heartwarming you because it’s rare that you see that that side of it as a cop. Yeah, absolutely. It’s super rare to have any anything come back to you. Like you can go to like the most depraved horrible call and be like, “Well, hope these people have an okay life.” You don’t you never hear about it again sometimes. You know, a lot of times you never you never get to hear, but that’s great, man. That’s it’s heartening at least like, all right, well, this is making a difference in some people’s lives. Yeah, for sure. I guess I mean, as I travel to teach, there’s been um six kids that have been rescued from people that attended my class like cops. But again, I don’t see this. I’m seeing this third hand. So, it doesn’t have that like I mean, sure, it’s very impactful thinking maybe I had a little piece of that that Yeah, totally case or something, you know, but it’s it’s not me tangibly seeing it like firsthand. So, something that you could see a little more firsthand. I think it it hits you a little little better. When you you’re saying rescued, you mean like found during a stop or something or Yeah. Oh, really? Mhm. Well, I mean some of them might have been like um maybe like a custodial thing kidnapped for mom or something. But there was there’s two that always come to mind. The very first two that um dad was in jail, mom was had drug problems and was dead. And this was like mom’s or dad’s girlfriend that had no rights to the kids. So basically CPS failed him and um whether it was true or not, she was telling the kids that they were going to be like sold in another state and this cop just happened to be in the way. Yeah. And and he didn’t find that out initially. He just found drugs, was able to arrest the girlfriend, knew something was up as a cop with the kids, then got like a I forget, but they like the the specific people that interview kids. Um and that’s where that that story came out at. Wow. That’s crazy, man. Yeah. the um custodial kidnapping stuff is such a pain in the balls to deal with. Um but my dad, he was a cop for 32 years and on his way out got wrapped up in one of those cases, custodial kidnapping. He has a story about it that I should have him on the podcast like he we’ve talked about it before. I just haven’t because I’m afraid it will be awkward or something interviewing my dad. Um he he ended up in federal court at the end of his career for a custodial kidnapping case between Massachusetts and I think like New Hampshire. And um it was actually in the P like in the Boston Globe. I read I was reading the article. I found it online. The the sitting federal judge who who he took the case into federal court and that was like a whole that was a whole argument in itself. But his name was Judge Keading and he was like 89 and he was losing his mind literally. He would like my dad and the other officers from their town would go to court and my dad says some days he would slam the bench and say you’re all in peril of losing your freedom permanently. You may not be going home to your families tonight. Federal court judge. I would be pissing my pants. Oh my gosh. They all were. They were all like, “Oh my gosh.” And then the clerk of the court, the federal magistrate, um, told my dad, “Hey, I don’t know if you noticed, he’s losing it. So here, you know, call into the court and I can give you an update on how how he is on that particular day. And if I’m not here, it’s because it’s that bad and I’m not coming in.” Wow. And my dad’s like, “Great.” Because a guy can’t be removed. He can only be um I think what ended up happening is his peers I think they can be kind of talked out of like talked into retiring by like other federal court judges. They must have like a support committee where they’re like all right we need the judges together because this guy is faking nuts. Like my my dad was working with a female officer who was involved in this case and she was going home balling every day. She had young kids and was like this guy’s gonna throw us in prison. Yeah. I I would be terrified of that. Totally totally nuts. And it was all over custodial kidnapping. And yeah, it was it was it was crazy. I should have him come on and tell the story cuz it it is I mean I mean nothing is scarier to me. Even now like I just go to our our district court, but like when you’re in the courtroom with a judge, they have so much authority over everybody in the room. They can do anything. And it and this is one of those rare scenarios where that one person who has all that authority is losing grip on reality and it’s it’s terrifying. Like luckily they would come back from lunch and he would be like reset or whatever or be like all right we’ll see you new new day and wouldn’t mention anything any of the threats he mentioned earlier. My dad was like I just want to retire. This sucks. Was uh did he preside over that whole case? I think he got removed. Um I don’t think he I don’t think he finished it out. I I was young. I was only like 18 or 19 when he was going through it. So I I’m going to have to ask him, but I think he got removed before it was before it was done. Um I mean that would even scare me if I was a defendant in that situation. Like if the judge isn’t making sound decisions on both sides of the spectrum, that’s rough. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Like who’s he gonna who’s he gonna snap on today? So yeah. Um custo kidnapping pain that that is the worst dude. Like you know PDS are usually used for like a child swap stuff. Yeah. Like I’m always like ah just let this just meet in the parking lot and get you know problems please. Yeah. It’s like you know it’s like uh Sundays and Fridays you see a lot of it. Like I don’t know if it’s just most visitations transpire on the weekends or whatever but yeah. Yeah. And the the custodial ones that people had from my class were more like protection order custodial type things where like they didn’t have rights as a kid anymore and those types of things and were able to however get them. You know, a kid doesn’t understand that. So if I go pick you up from school and I’m a I’m your dad and you have protection order, you’re going to become a dad more than likely and not you know a kid doesn’t put things together like that. That’s the other terrible situation I I’ve dealt with a couple times in life where the when the one of the schools calls you and is like, “Hey, we have this dad that um isn’t supposed to come pick the kid up, but he’s going to.” Like that type of thing where like now you’re faced with like, just so everybody knows, these are like the the weirdo situations you get yourself into as a cop. You’re involved with telling a father he can’t spend time with his son. That is that is horrible. It it it feels terrible. Like regardless of like you don’t know the whole backstory, you don’t know what he’s been through or what the actual facts of the case are. You’re just supposed to go there and go, “Your son’s staying with me.” It’s rough. Yep. Rough, dude. I agree. And and I feel like that’s when rational people make irrational decisions when we get sent to things like that. And that’s the most volatile time to be a cop in in those those particular moments. Absolutely, dude. And that’s exactly what I think in my mind. And I’m like I think like what if someone tried to keep me from getting my son? Could Yeah. Could that be the one time in my life where I really just go off the deep end? If there’s going to be a situation where it happens, that could be it. Like, oh, you can’t see your kid. Freaking nuts, dude. Especially in Massachusetts, they’re I I could say so much about the courts, but they issue these restraining orders like faking willy-nilly on people and a lot of them are unsubstantiated in the end. And the whole time this guy is hassled because untrue claims. Yeah, I wish there was some type of rep repercussion for that, but in Indiana, so you get um you can get like a temporary one for like 30 days and then um whoever it’s against then has to come to the court and say why, you know, you kind of like they shouldn’t have it or whatever the case may be. You still have to make your case to get it, you know, as as the person that’s petitioning for one, but within 30 days, you have to go in front of a magistrate and you both get to like argue your sides of why it should be in place or why it shouldn’t. So I like that avenue of it cuz if if it’s needed then it’s a 30 days where you know now if that person is still doing things then you know they’re building up cases by contacting them or or whatever you know. So right um I feel like I know it’s only a piece of paper but there might be some protection where it would deter people from doing violent things. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, the flip side of it is like talking to my dad who was a cop years and years ago was like it used to be in mass like you showed up to a domestic call and the woman’s all beat up and she didn’t want to press charges. It was simple assault and battery. So they didn’t have in Massachusetts you don’t have arrest authority unless it’s assault and battery is done in your presence. So she’s an uncooperative victim, but it’s because he’s looming behind her. Yeah. they would just leave and well those women ended up dead. You know, women ended up dead because of that. So, I I understand the kind of over the pendulum swinging way the other way. Yeah. It just doesn’t make it any easier to deal with. You know, my department created this thing and I don’t know if we’re one of the only ones or where my administration found it, but it’s it’s pretty amazing. So, if you’re involved in a domestic, even if it’s um like a verbal uh let’s say verbal domestic, there’s no one going to jail, no, nothing like that. uh we have to reach out to you like three times um and try to have a contact or a conversation with you outside the scope of other parties. So like independently. Interesting. Um and see like is this an ongoing thing and there’s like six or eight questions that you know that we try to ask um either like via phone or in person. Um, but we have to make at least three attempts to try to have contact with someone to avoid those repeat calls that we always go on to where they continue. And we if there is verbal domestic or if there was, you know, something violent in the past, we have resources then and give them the resources because a lot of people in those domestics, they feel like I have nowhere to go. Like if I’m a single husband or single mom or um a stay-at- home mom or stay at home dad and that’s the breadwinner, vice versa, whatever. Like where do you want me to go? live on the street and remove me from my kids. Like I get I understand why oftent times um the victim in those situations don’t want to pursue anything. It makes sense to me. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. It’s very sad. Very sad. I mean the um I don’t know the answer to it. I’m a Christian guy and you know men are supposed to be leaders household. They’re supposed to protect their wives like and and love their wives like Christ loved the church. Like following those tenants makes sense. But when that breaks down uh and that’s not happening, women are incredibly vulnerable. They can you have three kids and no job, what do you do? Like where do you go? Who’s got all the power? The abusive husband. So it’s it’s it’s brutal, man. Um Kenny, popular question on the show. Um a lot of people listening are are thinking about becoming cops, so they’re kind of using the podcast to gear up to like go into backgrounds or apply. Um, what advice would you give to new officers who are looking at getting into the field? Work on your communication skills. The ability to communicate goes a long way and it’s something that you can start doing now. Um, that will translate to the profession. If you’re a introverted person like myself and it takes you a lot to like go and just have casual conversations with random people that you’ve never met. Now imagine going to someone’s worst day and try to have a conversation with them and be a human and be empathetic and be understanding. So I think like communication is one of the you know uh the biggest tools that cops have and you can also like as a cop you could talk yourself in or out of a lot of situations that could you know if you’re understanding and empathetic where it maybe someone is mad but if you listen to them have that conversation and then they won’t be use that anger towards you. Um, so, so communication’s huge and I think that you can start working on that years before you become a cop and it will it will transition great to being a cop. Words of wisdom, brother. Thank you for that. Kenny, tell us about what you got going on. Obviously, you’ve acrewed like over 18,000 followers on on Instagram, which is my hats off to you. That’s awesome. And then you also had the Beyond the Barrel podcast. Um, what is Beyond the Barrel about? So, prior to being a cop, I was a bartender. Um, and it’s kind of like a double pun. So my my like the way my mind works, I I always wanted to have like these in-depth conversations with cops, but in order to do that, you have to lock them in because if you run into a cop, you’re going to talk to him for maybe 10 minutes at the most and that’s going to be it. And you know, so so on. So and I think that the beyond the barrel of the gun, so beyond the barrel of like the cop and then sitting around the bourbon barrel just like bullshitting, telling stories, that whole thing, you know, I kind of just wanted people to realize that cops are just normal humans. they’re the same person that you know like sports or whatever your hobbies are, fishing or whatever. And it just because that they have that, you know, uniform and that badge doesn’t define who they are. There’s way more to them and they’re just like everyone else. If you didn’t tell someone I was a cop and I walked up to him, I don’t think that they would have the idea that I was a cop. Yeah. Oh, very cool, man. And they you can get that on Apple Podcast, Spotify, YouTube, anywhere you get podcasts. Yep. Good deal, brother. And on Instagram, it’s red ninj_ninja11. Correct. Cor correct. Excellent, man. Kenny, it was an honor to have you on, man. Thank you for coming. Thank you for coming and sharing your stories. No, man. I appreciate you having me. It’s my pleasure. Completely. All right, brother. Thank you. And um I got to do the outro of the show. Can you hang on just like two minutes? All right. The great Kenny Williams, guys. Uh really fun stories, great info. um pick up one of his seminars and you can be a uh a cop that knows how to look for stuff a lot better than I do. Hey, maybe if he comes to Massachusetts again, I can sit there. Maybe I can get a discount. Kenny, can I get a discount for this class? You have a you have a discount for um learning impaired police officers. That would be me. Um so, thank you to Kenny. Really fun time. 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